Goo Onn, go sell a kidney or something:lol:, you know you want to.
Bad News Innit?

ha ha and here's me trying to save for 300 quids worth of tyres for the euro's also! need to sell my heart i think!! lol

£300 worth of tyres ?

:thumbsup:

I think we will be persuading neil to bring back stormforce

A

...aaah bugger. Mine are the silver ones.:rolleyes:

Oh well, e-bay here I come!!



Did someone mention disposing of the cells?
If so, the council will take them away if you put them in a clear bag and place them in your blue box/bin that they collect the tin stuff in.:) They just collect them with the other stuff in there. If you don't have a blue box then probably the tip or something.

The problem is guys, where do you want to draw the line. Now, it's relevent here that i say i am like everyone else - i have plenty of IB cells sitting around me - probably in the region of 18-20 packs. Not only that - i bought 3 brand new packs about 3 weeks ago to go to an international race -yes i knew there was a very good chance this was going to happen - but felt it was no point going with dead cells, and haven't decided what i'm doing yet for 12th scale Euros in April which will run to 2007 list. I may get my cells a LITTLE cheaper, but i do pay for them - and i'd bet there are some unsponsered drivers that pay less for their cells than i do (overseas etc)

So, you want 07 spec cells to remain legal at nationals for 08. Ok, so let's start by assuming there is an advantage to having the cells a little bigger (let's be honest, manufactures wouldn't have made them bigger if this wasn't the case). So we then have 07 spec and 08 spec cells - which do you think the top 10 guys would be running??? so then you have an 07 list of cells, that are probably no longer available to buy - but the top guys are running them. Is this something people would be happy with?

So when do you decide to actually make the change?? you have to do it sometime if you have passed a rule. IT ws decided a while back to make it 2008. Now i do agree 100% that more should have been made of it 12 months ago - i think people's attention should have been drawn to the fact that it was the intention.

Look on the bright side, they could have said that it applied for all santioned meetings...............as will be the case in 2009.

Unfortunately (well fortunately depending on how you look at it) looks that another major line will have to be drawn maybe 2010 ? for lipo, what do you guys think...?

Yeah, maybe. All LiPo really needs is someone to propose it at the agm, and enough people support it.

the rules should of been implemented it at the time of the rule change, no grace, so we wouldn't be on the fourth incarnation of the IB cell....

oops, I'm getting concerned over nothing!

I'm only going to be running regionals this season anyway. If anyone wants to donate their useless cells to me, please feel free! :woot:

I'll second that :thumbsup:

TBH
I am now about the same, what was to be my first full national season will probably be cancelled as I can't use my perfectly good (for me) several year old secondhand batterys at any of the nationals, or do I buy a couple of packs of legal batteries and charge the arse off them all day just to enter a national???

I can see getting rid of any of last years dodgy batterys but not banning anything else (which probably would have been legal if submitted) from many years ago that has not proved a problem.

don't imagine its a case of the brca banning them, more the manufactures didn't resubmit them for Homologation for the new ruling as they knew they wouldnt pass!

i think im going to prepose lipo for 2009

A

excellent ash, what were they like when you ran them in your 10th??

I haven run one lol ive just heard good things and nimh would still be legal i thin kit would be good to allow both it would give a cheaper option for everyone to get top performance but i am looking at getting a trackpower saddle pack before i prepose it to give them a go. Im not jus going to propse it without trying them thats why i said i think.

A

Ok, it's a view. So, 12 months ago, we say all cells must now be under 43mm at all times. Hmm, trouble is, none available to buy. bugger.

Hence the theory behind 12months warning - to give manufactures chance to make cells to that spec - which they have.

Well I may be wrong but I thought GP3700's were smaller and lighter than GP4300's and I would imagine GP3300's were even smaller so surely if they they had been submitted they would have passed??
Basically any cell that wasnt submitted that was legal in the past becomes illegal anyway so its a big gain for the manufacturers to not bother submitting old cells knowing anything they sold in the last couple of years would become illegal to use??? and everybody would have to buy the latest cell?

You can't really submit old cells, because they aren't available to buy - so would fail the homologation process.

you may well be right, the gp3700 is smaller than the 2007 gp4300, doesnt means its smaller than the revised 2008 spec gp4300 though...
unless every cell is taken through the same process that the cell's on the list are then i would imagine only those submitted this year were checked due to the new rule...i maybe wrong but IMO thats what's happened

Fair enough but its an expensive maybe for racers that don't care about replacing there cells every year???

when the rule was changed, then that should of been that, any cell on the list should of had two years grace, not re-submitted and passed again. It would of forced matchers to look elsewhere for cells, it is funny how all these new cells have appeared all of a sudden.

thats my gripe, the cells I bought should never of been homologated in 2007.

well I am going to have a fire in the back garden chuck the 20 packs I have on and use them as firecrackers :thumbsup:

It is a bummer many people's cells are not on the list, but we are only talking Nationals. Bear with me. Which means 5 runs per race day, not counting practice, which isnt scrutineerd.
Now 2 sets of new cells would easily do all the Nationals, thats 60 charges if you do all 6 which means each cell would be charged 30 times. Which is possible.
At the Worlds many top drivers wer only given 2 or 3 sets of new cells for the whole week. They never had any problems charging a set many times on the same day.
So yes you are going to have to buy new cells if yours are not on the list, but let's face it, the UK National series is the premire series in the UK and probably the premire series Euorpe!!!!!
I think most people could come up with enough money for 2 sets of cells, and use their other cells for the Regionals!!!!!!

This has got people going! I have two questions if anyone can help:

1. If the new cells are "slower", due to being smaller, is there any chance of them being made legal early. All my 2007 packs have died but 1, and I wanted to do the indoor finals. I don't really want to spend money on cells just for one meeting??

Secondly, Orion have 4200 SHO and also a separate 4200EU08 SHO, do we know if both are legal, the list confused me?

You can use 2007 spec cells at the indoor finals, the new cell rule comes in after this event:)

Sorry Dave, my problem is all my 2007 spec ones are dying a death!! Either way I need to buy new batteries, but if I buy the 2007 spec they will be illegal after one meeting :(.

Having said that, if some of the manufacturers have made the new ones better I can totally see why they don't become immediately legal.

Dave

its only the 08 version blue/white heat shrink that will be legal!
part no ori 11562, pek43174 (top spec) pek 43173 (racer spec)

Phew, I have one of those so I gambled and it paid off there!

"huge sigh" my cells packed up on me last week and i bit the bullet and orderd the new EP4600 before seeing this and was worried that i would get stuck but i am dead chuffed my cells are on the list i was worried for a while :)

My wallet has been dried up lately its so light it will blow away in the wind now after i get new cells :o after this my money better bump up again :) :thumbsup:

mike, wtf? :wtf:

Stanton did a whole nationals season on 2 packs the other year, with common sense and a fan you can do that IMHO, I'm considering doing it on 3 packs and using current cells for regionals only.

I can understand people not being happy in certain circumstances but overall for drawing a line in the sand somewhere I think the BRCA have dealt with this very well. And the new cell list is excellent formatting!

Personally I'm interested by the not allowing NEEDING tools to remove cells, I didn't know that was coming.

What is this going to do to attendance at the EOY Finals?
Many racers at the F3/4/5s only race regionals so do not need new cell this year, but they will be forced to buy cells in September to enter.
Buying new cells in September is a bad idea apparently.

If Callum wants to race at the Juniors this year (he will) he will have to have legal cells. He currently uses very old GP33's and does not need the extra speed that new cells will give him.

Good point Dom - Imagine vicky with some new cells :wtf: She's already running a 'barely legal' motor that was the slowest thing I could find and I'm not actually sure it's strictly speaking ever been on a list. Mabuchi 540 - but a new one.

Good point dom.... Didn't really think about end of season finals!

Looks like theres no point in me racing at regionals this year, kinda wasted effort if I can't attend End of Year finals, as Dom points out.

Gutted :(

mark

the list states that the cells are the only one's approved for 2008 national event's. not end of season finals/indoor final's/f2's/juniors-vets.
on the rule page the national's are classed as seperate type of event. in the past you havent been able to run brushless at national's but could at all other events so i would assume the case is the same with cell's

sure PW will confirm either way

That's from the EFRA agm. Rule was adopted that all batteries needed to be wired with connectors, so no hard-wiring.
(Hard-wiring, needing a tool [soldering iron] to remove cells)

Driver and public safety was the reason behind this.

MiCk B. :-)

if the cells are going mental inside the car, there is no way im taking the shell of to remove them without tools, let the car burn.

I think the idea is for when it's the car going mental not the cells.