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Rocking Donkey 30-03-2011 09:21 PM

It looks interesting. From the pics it looks like a 2 belt drive train, driving gearboxes front and rear. To me it looks a bit like a two 2wd's cut and shut, but in a good way. This must be what was meant by changing diffs is quick, a car with belts where the belts don't run around the diffs.

Looking at the bulk head through the window of the body I think it could be motor dead centre with one saddle in front and the other behind.

I always liked the JRX-S based buggy concept, and this looks like a sensible way to work around the super wide diffs.

Its good to see something a bit radical, go belts!

SpeedyDad 31-03-2011 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brettness37 (Post 483300)
The one with Kyosho shocks is Alex Kreig's handmade short course chassis (SpeedyDad has made 2, one for each of them). dancoog has named them the SCX-E and there is another thread about them on here :thumbsup:

Yup, that's one of my new concept SC trucks. I built them to see what I could do and where I can take short course trucks. The handling is amazing.

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66690

/tobys 31-03-2011 08:31 AM

If easy access to the diffs is a design priority, must be geared diffs?

SHY 31-03-2011 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by /tobys (Post 483675)
If easy access to the diffs is a design priority, must be geared diffs?

Why is that?

The A-1 had drop-out diffs, and those were ball diffs.

Gayo 31-03-2011 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoungChazz (Post 483212)
And, Gayo, yes, sexxy.

Who? Me? :lol: My girlfriend says the same (I think she needs glasses:bored:)

LOL I didn't wrote anything yet on this topic, but I really like your "outathebox thinking", great work by Paul and you. I am slightly disappointed that the suspension isn't carried from the XX4 like it was on the X-5.

Can't wait to see what's under the body!

SHY 31-03-2011 09:11 AM

Something tells me Elvo da Mad Professa also has played a vital part in this Monsta! :lol:

Oliv996 31-03-2011 09:24 AM

Gayo is the guy who always want sexy bodies to paint :D

elvo 31-03-2011 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayo (Post 483684)
that the suspension isn't carried from the XX4 like it was on the X-5.


The front suspension is.

The_doctor 31-03-2011 10:58 PM

please no forward cab body!!!
 
Please do not go with the forward cab body on the X7 these r the worst bodies ever made for a off road buggy !!!!!:thumbdown::thumbdown:
go with you own shape and dont go down like every one else !!!:thumbsup:
the bodies DONT WORK on all tracks!!!! they r an American track body....


they just look crap!!!!!!!!!!:D


SHY 01-04-2011 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_doctor (Post 484157)
Please do not go with the forward cab body on the X7 these r the worst bodies ever made for a off road buggy !!!!!:thumbdown::thumbdown:
go with you own shape and dont go down like every one else !!!:thumbsup:
the bodies DONT WORK on all tracks!!!! they r an American track body....


they just look crap!!!!!!!!!!:D

+1!!! I don't care if they're 1 sec slower pr. lap! Has anyone "proved" that those ugly bugly shells are actually faster??? Does it even show on laptimes?

Cooper 01-04-2011 07:56 AM

Please make them cab forward!!! that looks sooooo cool!!!! :thumbsup:

Chrislong 01-04-2011 09:25 AM

Im all for cab forward! More forward than any other i.e. like a bus.

c0sie 01-04-2011 10:15 AM

Cab forward and white wheels ftw.

colmo 01-04-2011 10:28 AM

Here's an idea for a cab-forward shell that's cool...

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets...m_TheHomer.jpg

Looks good, no?

isobarik 01-04-2011 11:02 AM

center motor and slipper and 4 belts to each wheel:thumbsup: ....spool is the way to goo...:woot:

mvh isobarik

Oliv996 01-04-2011 11:20 AM

I bet a motor in each wheel like Michelin system, and 2 belt only to strap LiPo :D

The_doctor 04-04-2011 12:58 AM

X7 my thorts !!
 
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if you have a close look u will see that the rear is( and this is what i think!) diff to idle to top shaft which runs the belt pulley to the center(which i think the motor is mounted in the middle of the car) car runs saddle packs the belt then runs to a single diff pulley at the front!!!! (whats got me is those little carbon ears at the front!!) looks like some kind of Cavalier system for the suspension ????? :thumbsup::thumbsup::drool::drool::drool:

for those of you who think the forward cab is faster around a track .....you on drugs every on that's run the body here comments that the rear of the car is a lot looser and have gone back to running a normal body!!!!!

I myself have tryed one on my B44 and find the old Jconcepts body faster end of story!!!

ROAR tried to band them and i for one agree!!! let them run them on 8th scale as they need all the help they need to work!!!:thumbdown::thumbdown:
rubbish ugly junk body's:mad::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:!!!!!
i what it .........X7 bring it on!!!!:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:

Fatal1ty 04-04-2011 03:36 PM

I think on the rear pully is a slippersystem inside. That would be something new, with rear and front slipper! :wub

Ehhhh body... cab forward rocks! end of story :thumbsup:

fatbear 08-04-2011 06:28 AM

I don't care what the body shell looks like. If it is faster I will run it.

/tobys 08-04-2011 06:57 AM

Has the X7 been run in public anywhere since the Cactus Classic?

I wonder how E is getting on with it....

Can't wait to see/hear more details :drool:

mikeyscott 18-04-2011 11:41 AM

So when is Ellis running it at the Nationals?

Big E 18-04-2011 11:46 AM

When I have had time to get it ready and tried it somewhere.

I unfortunatly do have a day job :thumbdown:...and then 2 kids to muck about with when I get home :thumbsup: so sometimes the cars just have to wait.

Lots of things are happening though with the car even if you don't see it :lol:

mikeyscott 18-04-2011 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big E (Post 491537)
When I have had time to get it ready and tried it somewhere.

I unfortunatly do have a day job :thumbdown:...and then 2 kids to muck about with when I get home :thumbsup: so sometimes the cars just have to wait.

Lots of things are happening though with the car even if you don't see it :lol:

Good luck with it all then :)

YoungChazz 18-04-2011 06:15 PM

Ellis drives for X Factory, period. We provide whatever car Ellis thinks can win at any given race. Hopefully that's one of our cars. In 2WD it is. Right now, in 4WD it is not. When the X - 7 is faster than the Kyosho, that's what Ellis will run. The bottom line is that we want Ellis to win.

As he says, we are working on it literally 24/7. We tested some basic concepts on the test bed cars, and most of it worked well from the get-go. Then we used those design ideas on an entirely new car, like nothing you've ever seen. We started a small revolution with the X - 5, and a big revolution with the X - 6. We'll settle for nothing less with the X - 7.

The car that came off the computer screen looked very good indeed, and Paul was able to drive it at about 96% of the fastest lap times at Cactus. That's great for the first cut, but it's not ready for Ellis, or anybody else, to drive at Nationals. We have two specific issues to work out, and Paul thinks the C.A.D. is there now.

So we've got to produce the new parts ($$$$) and get them to the Team. We did not take it to Cactus as a teaser; it was tested by fire right from the start.

/tobys 06-05-2011 06:23 AM

I wonder if the X7 will make it's UK national debut this weekend...:drool:

markwilliamson2001 06-05-2011 06:26 AM

Well, i will be looking for a possble replacement for my b44 soon, so this might be a possible at the right price!

Cant wait to see a more finished article with the shell off.
:thumbsup:

/tobys 06-05-2011 06:41 AM

I do hope they decide to use Big bore shocks of some type...:drool:

YoungChazz 08-05-2011 09:03 PM

Big New Post
 
I just posted about the X - 7 prototype on RCTech.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...x-7-4wd-4.html

styleone 04-06-2011 12:13 AM

x7
 
Any more sneaky news guys?....keep us all happy :)....for now :lol:

YoungChazz 04-06-2011 03:00 AM

We learned so much with the test bed cars, then more with the Gen 1 prototype we ran at Cactus. Ellis has that car now, and C.A.D. has been flying back and forth across the Atlantic; so much C.A.D. that when we produce the next batch of X - 7 protos they will be called Gen 5.1.

We have a self-imposed deadline of June 20 to have the new car in Ellis' hands, as well as 5.1s for Paul and Elvo.

Much work has gone on behind the scenes, and sometimes it seems to take forever. I wish it would be on the market yesterday...

styleone 05-06-2011 04:32 PM

x7
 
Well we all know that the time taken at this stage will make for a truly amazing product at the other end of the process :thumbsup:

Have the proto vehicles all been running saddles or is there a possibility that we may see a stick config?

Thanks for the update Chazz

markwilliamson2001 05-06-2011 04:49 PM

Looking forward to the final article, i just dont seem to get on with the b44 outside, its just a bit twitchy for me, i prefer my x6 right now outside.
Looking forward to seeing the layout, and config of the x7, and any special features its going to have.

Bring on seeing Ellis' one running at a national.
:thumbsup:

YoungChazz 06-06-2011 01:29 AM

@styleone, the answer is yes.

Mark, we are looking forward to exactly that event. We want to get the Gen 5.1 out long before the end of this month, and Ellis will defo have it for the Euros.

markwilliamson2001 06-06-2011 05:31 AM

:thumbsup::):drool::D

styleone 07-06-2011 11:33 PM

x7
 
I wonder who will produce the shell? Jconcepts I'm guessing?
I'm expecting the protos at the nationals to be running b44 shells like the cactus outting...either way I can not wait to see this beast :)

Hold on a minute....childish fan boy alert! Lol :)

Gonna be epic

jimmy 07-06-2011 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoungChazz (Post 510444)
We learned so much with the test bed cars, then more with the Gen 1 prototype we ran at Cactus. Ellis has that car now, and C.A.D. has been flying back and forth across the Atlantic; so much C.A.D. that when we produce the next batch of X - 7 protos they will be called Gen 5.1.

We have a self-imposed deadline of June 20 to have the new car in Ellis' hands, as well as 5.1s for Paul and Elvo.

Much work has gone on behind the scenes, and sometimes it seems to take forever. I wish it would be on the market yesterday...

Hey Chazz, I hope you're doing well. Will Ellis run at the Worlds with this car?

YoungChazz 08-06-2011 03:55 AM

Very sadly, Jimmy, no. Just not enough time to sort the car. Really, to be competitive, you've got to practice many hours every day seven days a week for a minimum of six months before the event. Ellis would not have more than 2 - 3 weeks with a completely new machine. And the worlds are on dirt, which is quite difficult for E to get any practice time on. It really is completely different.

If we can get it out in 10 days, which we expect to do, Ellis will have about six weeks before the Euros. Not a whole lot better, really.

YoungChazz 14-06-2011 06:11 PM

In response to two posts, I put this on RCTech:


I believe both Tater and Gould are correct! Engineering projects without deadlines are never finished, and nothing is produced. The finest imaginable product is still getting better on the comp screen.

On the other hand, we go where the physics and engineering lead us. Physics tells us, "This you must do," and engineering figures out how to do it. Note that Paul's 4-year degree is in Physics, with a minor in Math. The concept of the 4-Gear transmission is simple physics.

The Gen 1 prototype of the X - 7 had two major issues. One of them was fitting the electronics in, and we made a simple change that does not affect the physics but solved the problem entirely. 4WD cars have NO room! The other problem is more difficult, but we do think we've solved it; this one too a partially about getting everything to fit and work.

The physics principles, first tried on the test beds, are right on, both on suspension and driveline. It's a matter of doing and testing the engineering to make them work, and we now feel very good about that. Gen 5.1 may be on the machine late this week! Paul wants to drive one at the Bill Bridges race, Stefan needs one for the worlds, and Ellis won't go to the Euros without one before the end of this month. (See practice time above.) It's coming soon.

markwilliamson2001 14-06-2011 07:06 PM

WAHOOO!!!! CANT WAIT :D

styleone 14-06-2011 11:35 PM

x7
 
I'm wondering if the next gen test beds will perhaps run a proto new shell or will they be run with the b44 shell again?

Either way I also can't wait! :D


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