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b4pete 27-11-2009 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbkRob (Post 315420)
2009 handbook (printed) page 15, rile 10, paragraph 3.
"It is not allowed to use any form of active telemetary, which in the opinion of the event officials or stewards, is judged to give a competitor an advantage during a race. Therefore, it is not allowed for any radio/wireless signals to be transmitted from the car to an external source during a race, that is judged by the officials to give the driver a competitive advantage during that particular race.

(not sure I'm 100% agreed on the Therefore but that is another issue AND NOT FOR THIS THREAD!)

So...............................

You can't find out how much juice is still in the tank, or indeed monitor voltage, if that is judged to be a competitive advantage.

BUT................................

Race control monitoring (but not disclosing) voltage would not break this rule and would be a distinct advantage for marshal safety.

Re data logging, note the word DURING. No problem getting lots of post race info.

If my handbook is so rare, maybe I should put it on Ebay, or maybe you should all remember where you put your copy.
So are the new transponders going to be £15 inc P+P or what? lol
:drool: :thumbsup:

mark christopher 27-11-2009 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbkRob (Post 315420)
2009 handbook (printed) page 15, rile 10, paragraph 3.
"It is not allowed to use any form of active telemetary, which in the opinion of the event officials or stewards, is judged to give a competitor an advantage during a race. Therefore, it is not allowed for any radio/wireless signals to be transmitted from the car to an external source during a race, that is judged by the officials to give the driver a competitive advantage during that particular race.

(not sure I'm 100% agreed on the Therefore but that is another issue AND NOT FOR THIS THREAD!)

So...............................

You can't find out how much juice is still in the tank, or indeed monitor voltage, if that is judged to be a competitive advantage.

BUT................................

Race control monitoring (but not disclosing) voltage would not break this rule and would be a distinct advantage for marshal safety.

Re data logging, note the word DURING. No problem getting lots of post race info.

If my handbook is so rare, maybe I should put it on Ebay, or maybe you should all remember where you put your copy.
i have one and i qouted off the brca online one????

rob the bit in bold
in my ic car you notice the reciever pack voltage is down, how is that going to help the saftey of the marshal??, unless you tell me or ask me to pull of the track,(which im not going to do with dam good reason) but by doing that your giving me info transmitted by my car,
see what i mean?

DCM 27-11-2009 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbkRob (Post 315420)
2009 handbook (printed) page 15, rile 10, paragraph 3.
"It is not allowed to use any form of active telemetary, which in the opinion of the event officials or stewards, is judged to give a competitor an advantage during a race. Therefore, it is not allowed for any radio/wireless signals to be transmitted from the car to an external source during a race, that is judged by the officials to give the driver a competitive advantage during that particular race.

(not sure I'm 100% agreed on the Therefore but that is another issue AND NOT FOR THIS THREAD!)

So...............................

You can't find out how much juice is still in the tank, or indeed monitor voltage, if that is judged to be a competitive advantage.

BUT................................

Race control monitoring (but not disclosing) voltage would not break this rule and would be a distinct advantage for marshal safety.

Re data logging, note the word DURING. No problem getting lots of post race info.

If my handbook is so rare, maybe I should put it on Ebay, or maybe you should all remember where you put your copy.
nope, your not the only one, I have 4 here, and read the online one too.

bbkRob 27-11-2009 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 315424)
i have one and i qouted off the brca online one????

rob the bit in bold
in my ic car you notice the reciever pack voltage is down, how is that going to help the saftey of the marshal??, unless you tell me or ask me to pull of the track,(which im not going to do with dam good reason) but by doing that your giving me info transmitted by my car,
see what i mean?
"Black flag car 7, indicated voltage below x volts" or "Warning to marshals, Car 7 indicates a low voltage and may loose control" or maybe "Videos on car 7, this might be good" or after the race "Car 7 check your receiver power supply". Hardly a driver advantage either way.

Depends on how the risk of low voltage is assessed. Maybe it is of no use whatsoever.

bbkRob 27-11-2009 07:44 PM
Going to eat now, next update bright and early tomorrow.

mark christopher 27-11-2009 07:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbkRob (Post 315436)
"Black flag car 7, indicated voltage below x volts" or "Warning to marshals, Car 7 indicates a low voltage and may loose control" or maybe "Videos on car 7, this might be good" or after the race "Car 7 check your receiver power supply". Hardly a driver advantage either way.

Depends on how the risk of low voltage is assessed. Maybe it is of no use whatsoever.
lol rob i like the car 7 may loose control, you can shout that every run with my driving :D

coolcars782 27-11-2009 07:50 PM
I have a DX3s and i have the temperature wire set up arund the motor in my b4, will i be able to keep it there for regionals or what? :confused:

MALLET 27-11-2009 08:04 PM
Yes you can cool, this rule was set toward 1/8th nitro only, as someone thought that while you are racing you can read what it says on your hand set....As if I've got enough on looking at me bloody buggy never mind that. I doubt anyone can give off the readings that are coming up on their hand sets while they are racing flat out.

coolcars782 27-11-2009 08:08 PM
well ive got it on there only to see how the batteries get at the end of the race

mark christopher 27-11-2009 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MALLET (Post 315453)
Yes you can cool, this rule was set toward 1/8th nitro only, as someone thought that while you are racing you can read what it says on your hand set....As if I've got enough on looking at me bloody buggy never mind that. I doubt anyone can give off the readings that are coming up on their hand sets while they are racing flat out.
i disagree mallet as a regional offroad meeting would use the brca "general rules" so it would not be allowed

all sections have to comply to general rules, and its NOT just 8th

taken from the Handbook read the red bit
http://www.brca.org/BRCA/library/BRCA2009.pdf

expect to see a totally different handbook layout this year ;)

General Rules
These Rules are applicable to all sections
1. Members
It is accepted that all BRCA members have read the rules, contained within this publication, understand them, and agree to be bound by them during the period of their membership.

mark christopher 27-11-2009 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolcars782 (Post 315443)
I have a DX3s and i have the temperature wire set up arund the motor in my b4, will i be able to keep it there for regionals or what? :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolcars782 (Post 315456)
well ive got it on there only to see how the batteries get at the end of the race
general rules ban any telementry, so i would think practice only, race meeting nope as above post all sections have to use general rules and as a brca regional is a santioned meeting general rules apply

MALLET 27-11-2009 08:21 PM
I was just answering what I was told by someone who was at the BRCA meeting and was arguing about this situation. He then told us that it was just aimed towards the 1/8th national nitro buggy and truggy meetings.

I know what it says in the book, as I keep doing same as you, telling people to read and abide the rules.

mark christopher 27-11-2009 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MALLET (Post 315468)
I was just answering what I was told by someone who was at the BRCA meeting and was arguing about this situation. He then told us that it was just aimed towards the 1/8th national nitro buggy and truggy meetings.

I know what it says in the book, as I keep doing same as you, telling people to read and abide the rules.
nope 10th ic ban it too as do snoring cars, as you know if its in the book, its there for a reason....... hence the new look hand book due this year

coolcars782 27-11-2009 09:23 PM
hmm i guess i will be taking it out then :thumbdown:

DaveG28 27-11-2009 11:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MALLET (Post 315453)
Yes you can cool, this rule was set toward 1/8th nitro only, as someone thought that while you are racing you can read what it says on your hand set....As if I've got enough on looking at me bloody buggy never mind that. I doubt anyone can give off the readings that are coming up on their hand sets while they are racing flat out.
I put a stopwatch on my handset for 8th so I know when I am going to need to pitstop.


Have yet to successfully read the watchface without crashing....

MALLET 28-11-2009 12:01 AM
Yeah it true Dave. Just try racing with your eyes watering you can crash twice a lap :woot::woot:

chalky 28-11-2009 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbkRob (Post 315437)
Going to eat now, next update bright and early tomorrow.

well its early ,but not that bright in sunny bradford.

b4pete 28-11-2009 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chalky (Post 315606)
well its early ,but not that bright in sunny bradford.
Foggy in Durham

saintnitro 28-11-2009 08:34 AM
its always sunny in bournemouth:thumbsup:

Ginge

Dazzler 28-11-2009 09:11 AM
Wakey, Wakey Rob.... I first checked in on here at 6:15am - Bright and early... And still nothing :lol:


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