In response to the idea that whining about tracks is futile, I would like to say the following:

We (Southport) were given some "pointers" by the BRCA officials after the Southport National last year with regard to the track (s) that we had laid out.

Some of the points raised were actually changes/features/items that we wanted to incorporate before the national, but simply ran out of time. The other "suggestions" were just ideas. We will take on board some of the criticism levelled to the BRCA by drivers at the Southport National (why they couldn't be mentioned to any of the SRCC organisation team present is beyond me), and some of those "suggestions" will be incorporated into this years track....others won't be, but hey, that's life! (so if you don't like the track you only have yourselves to blame :lol:)

blame? am i to blame if the track is simply un-inspiring to drive around? As far as im concerned im driving 100% only to find im on for a B/C time. Great fun!!!

Ive raced at some dire places before now but ive always tried to give some advice (if i feel it will be recieved as advice and not crisitm) some people take it on board some dont. I think Talli did a bloody good job with what the gods gave them the week/night prior.

Im not gonna post anymore because i dont want anyone to think im having a go at club in particular. Like has been said, you cant keep everyone happy. Just seems (from who i talk to) each year there are more folks that agree with me :D

Anyway, good luck to the guys and girls that do the tracks this year. (mwah) ;)

Millzy, please tell us more about what you guys have planned :)

G

To be fair, there are only so many options, and to a point sometimes the venues do pick themselves - based on issues with other venues maybe.

A lot of the points Danny makes are valid. I don't agree with all of them, but some of them, yeah for sure i do - and even the others, are his opinions, which one way or another we're all entitled to.

If people believe that the same things are being said every year, maybe that's because it's true. In which case, the people making those points probably believe that nothing is changing and it's the same every year.

I'm with Matt here, a venue ca only be chosen if it actually applied in the first place. There are also more things to be considered than just 'the track' odd as it might sound to some people.

G

Well if some of these tracks that you guys dont like didnt apply then maybe there wouldnt be enough tracks to complete a full national calender meaning there would be no nationals at all. I know Ozfest isnt everyone favriot track but we are trying and improving but we also the the facilities that other tracks dont have. Also please keep in mind that we cant do anythign major to the track as its simply not our land to mess with.

A

Ok here is my 2 cents.

I think all of the tracks are getting better. people are trying to improve the facility and improve the racing!!!!

You can only learn by doing, and let's hope we have all learned from this year and it will be even better next year!!!!!

Of course I think EPR was the best!!!! Cause I painted most of it!!!! Lol, oh and we were very blessed with the weaher.
But also Tally, Oz, Stotfold and Southport all made huge efforts and it showed!!!!!!

So some jumps were not great and some grass too long and Southport is difficult for many of us, but it's the same track for all, and face it, most people have a bogey track. But still we turn up and try our best, oh and most important, have a good weekend.

So bring on 2009, there will no doubt be much improvement!!!!:thumbsup:

There were 10 applicating clubs for national events, correct me if im wrong, but isn't that a good number. :confused:

You dont get this typing lark do you :confused:

I do think, that as long as it is constructive, nothing is bad, when people just say, a track is shite, and leave it at that, nobody has got anything to work from. I do now think, clubs realise there is a lot ot gain from improving tracks and facilities, so you come home, think, bloody hell, what a storming weekend, track was awesome, but in trying hard, mistakes can and will happen, it is human nature.

Just cast your minds back 10 years to the featurless grass tracks...... I think off-road is going into a boom, lets not pop the bubble but being negative, if you got an issue with a track, think, then post what would of been better..... but bear in mind, that sometimes the track get's changed by the BRCA to.

Sheep mate lots of them lol

G will love that, he hasn't had it since mia was born. so sheep will look great come next summer :thumbsup:

Santa's Sack must be getting fairly heavy by now then :lol:

and with the potency of the G seed noone will be safe let alone the sheep :woot:

joking aside im looking forward to this year, the comments from last year have been taken on board. i liked the tabletop sections found the double very random as has already been said by others and hopefully this year the weather will be more friendly to talyfest so they can built the track they want to build rather than around the lake like they had to lol.either way it will be the same for everyone.

perhaps someone should do a jump thread if they are that worried about it to give host clubs ideas on what people want rather than to leave them guessing. but please leave in the hump to tabletops as they were awsome IMHO ;)

So what he's saying is the snow is getting 'layed', but he isn't :lol::thumbsup:

Don't forget the velcro gloves :lol:

sorry, but any track can be good.... i dont care if its pure lush australian clay or grass, the designer can make the track good! jumps made correctly, in the right places, flowing sections. tight sections, contrasts, rythem etc etc etc........

So i will continue to say that the designers of the track may need help and input, maybe even just to get a drawing on paper.

I think millzy did the right thing last year, he asked advise on track/jump design and although they didnt work to well in the end the thought was there....with a little more guidance it coud have been a blinder.

so please if your designing the track and not to stubern to ask.....do so! many drivers in the UK have travelled the world racing, including myself and feel this is where the experiance comes from with regards to good track designs.

Maybe a track design commity? hahahah!!!

maybe its a spell checker :woot::woot: sorry dude couldnt resist :thumbsup::lol:

never said i could spell!!!! cant say i paid attention at school!

No really

The straight will be the other side of the track - at the back running from the down banking into the mound at the left.

Two table tops in an S section after the straight- like in 08 at an angle and about the same height

There will be a bigger table top in front of the rostrum with a longer down ramp than up ramp

I’d also like to have 2 rhythm sections with 4 short whoops running vertical towards the rostrum and one with 3 long whoops running horizontal along the straight
but I’m not sure on this as we did two small whoops under the carpet in 08 and they where ok in 2wd but crap in 4wd, id like to do the 09 whoops all the same height as is other instead of one big one small like last time

I’m not going for huge air in 09, I learnt my lesson with the double and triple - but we will see what happens all this is on paper and the club needs to meet up and discus a few ideas first before we can start building jumps and layouts

**********************please dont take this post as what the track will look like *********************88