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1rcdad 11-04-2011 08:15 PM

It will all be good fun when the racing starts. I am going to enable reverse on my esc to see how much it affect the brakes and if it generates extra heat,will try it out tomorrow.

Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson 11-04-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarlowS (Post 488800)
Can you show me a rule where it says you cant cut corners and drive the wrong way round the track ???

But i have a sneaky feeling (dont quote me on this though) that its not allowed either.

PMSL! :woot:

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson (Post 488797)
But you don't always no if they have reverse if they are stationary for a few seconds! A good marshal would be halfway to the car before this time.

Can you look at a car and say straight away "oh it's ok, it has reverse" without it actually moving first?

we all know there are few good marshals and most are asleep

Fast Eddie 11-04-2011 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488805)
we all know there are few good marshals and most are asleep

Its tiring racing for 5 mins:lol:

telboy 11-04-2011 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488795)
lol then dont risk your ankle, let em use reverse :D, and re read post 65 i think you have miss read it :p



No Mr Christopher, I did not mis-read it. But further down the thread it does say that no one really noticed as no harm was done.
BUT, IF (its a big word ..if) I was to ruin someones race because I reversed into them, breaking their car, then it would become a more serious issue, and yes the person with the broken car would moan at me. :cry:

Also, it wouldn't be the only class that banned reverse. The Micro section have banned reverse....I know, as I fell foul of the rule when I used it at one of their events. :p

Lets stop bickering. The organisers will decide and we will have to abide by the rules that they decide. :):thumbsup:

Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson 11-04-2011 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488801)
well as a long term contributor i supported the first rrci meeting at coventry where reverse was allowed, there were no problems then, i have experienced a big outdoor sc meeting and dont see why the rule is needed. i can apreciate in buggies cars can be damaged by hitting others sc are enclosed wheels with bumpers and side bars, if you and tel think your going to get a clean run without somone nudging you into a hose or putting you into a spin think again!

Yes I dare say we be put into a spin and nudged into a hose, but we are not going to stand there and cry about it and swear at people just because we don't have reverse! Wait to be marshalled, and carry on.

spyro 11-04-2011 08:22 PM

Mark,

Just out of interest did you actually have a rule for the RRCI meeting that even mentioned reverse? I know we didn't for Short Course Carnage.

If the question hadn't been asked then we wouldn't be having this debate, and rightly or wrongly we would have races with some reversing trucks and some not.

Working all this out is all part of a new series I surpose :cry:

Chris

telboy 11-04-2011 08:23 PM

ACTUALLY, thats a good point shaun!!!

if someone knows your truck doesn't have reverse then what is to stop someone purposefully putting you nose first into a hose?...knowing full well that if they have reverse and even end up next to you, then they will get away first?

Frecklychimp 11-04-2011 08:23 PM

I got the feeling that you won't exactly need targets painted on your car for this series Mark... remember, rubbing is racing :p

Easy to spot with a big "R tard" sticker on the roof.

When you look at BRCA regs... there is a lot that can be taken for granted,

The thing is Mr Christopher... you know and see where we are all coming from

Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson 11-04-2011 08:24 PM

Do you turn up at a 1/8th off road National and tell them one of there rules stink because they don't run the same rule in 1/10th off road National?

I doubt it!

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarlowS (Post 488800)
Can you show me a rule where it says you cant cut corners and drive the wrong way round the track ???

But i have a sneaky feeling (dont quote me on this though) that its not allowed either.

you did not want to ask that did you?


17.6
At the Refereesdiscretion, penalties can be incurred for bad driving and/or corner cutting with any
one of the following, depending on the severity of the offence: Official Warning, Stop-Go penalty (Nationals
Only), 5 or 10 second penalty, 1 lap penalty, disqualification. The Stop-Go penalty area must be well

defined and in a position that is practical to operate.


so your point was? :woot:

Fast Eddie 11-04-2011 08:27 PM

The first thing you would notice is that they all have bigger cars:thumbsup:

Frecklychimp 11-04-2011 08:29 PM

If i'm the event referee does that mean i can drive how and where i want if i think its ok for me to do so? :thumbsup:

telboy 11-04-2011 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488816)
you did not want to ask that did you?



17.6
At the Refereesdiscretion, penalties can be incurred for bad driving and/or corner cutting with any

one of the following, depending on the severity of the offence: Official Warning, Stop-Go penalty (Nationals
Only), 5 or 10 second penalty, 1 lap penalty, disqualification. The Stop-Go penalty area must be well

defined and in a position that is practical to operate.


so your point was? :woot:


Technically, that was my point in an earlier post was it not?:woot:

Just tell people that if reverse is used then pnalties will be given?:confused:

:lol::thumbsup:


Lets all let them decide.....then we can argue!! :D

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson (Post 488814)
Do you turn up at a 1/8th off road National and tell them one of there rules stink because they don't run the same rule in 1/10th off road National?

I doubt it!


der 8th have been running for years and have a set of established rules, myself and others are questioning the ruling as other meetings have alowed it with no issues!

1rcdad 11-04-2011 08:31 PM

yes,but don't reverse into the stop go penalty box.

Fast Eddie 11-04-2011 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frecklychimp (Post 488821)
If i'm the event referee does that mean i can drive how and where i want if i think its ok for me to do so? :thumbsup:

yes, and deduct laps from others and shoot anyone in reverse, this is silly

Frecklychimp 11-04-2011 08:32 PM

Just don't tell mark that the "R" stickers to be fitted to the roof of reverse enabled SCT's are fitted to a paving slab!

telboy 11-04-2011 08:33 PM

Like I say, lets let them decide first. ;)

HarlowS 11-04-2011 08:35 PM

lol, I'll give you that one mark :p

So, i would also go along with that rule and say that reversing into race traffic would be bad driving...... and the only way to prevent that is....... Yup. you guessed it........ Stop reverse from being used :thumbsup:

Jobs a goodun, bobs your uncle




Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488816)
you did not want to ask that did you?


17.6
At the Refereesdiscretion, penalties can be incurred for bad driving and/or corner cutting with any
one of the following, depending on the severity of the offence: Official Warning, Stop-Go penalty (Nationals
Only), 5 or 10 second penalty, 1 lap penalty, disqualification. The Stop-Go penalty area must be well

defined and in a position that is practical to operate.


so your point was? :woot:


Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson 11-04-2011 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488823)
der 8th have been running for years and have a set of established rules, myself and others are questioning the ruling!

Durr! EXACTLY!! This is only just starting up, so at least give the rule a chance before slating it! You don't think the 1/8th National rules were writen over night and suited everybody do you?

And as far as I can see, there is only you Mark that is getting your knickers in a twist about this reverse...Just turn up and race with what has been provided for you.

Live by the theory that we have at at worksop...If you help organise, plan and put your own sweat and tear's into making it work, then you are in a position to question rules and regulations. If not, turn up and race in what has been provided for you, and be thankfull someone has took there time to make it happen so you can race your shortcourse.

taz5311 11-04-2011 08:36 PM

Fast Eddie,
Rest assured that this will not be an issue at the race events and hopefully stress will be kept to the minimum, a considered decision will be made by the organiser's (me being one of them) and that will be the final answer.
When and if we become sanctioned by the BRCA next year if the series takes off then we will abide by their rules and they will have the final decision.
To go back to richardj's original comment, your lad won't be banned for having reverse however he will be encouraged not to use it and this may help with his driving skills ( I just wait for the criticism of that statement.)

Fast Eddie 11-04-2011 08:38 PM

cheers taz, I will see you on easter sunday
why dont we all bring an egg and give it to the man/woman on your left and have some fun:thumbsup:

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frecklychimp (Post 488813)
I got the feeling that you won't exactly need targets painted on your car for this series Mark... remember, rubbing is racing :p

Easy to spot with a big "R tard" sticker on the roof.

When you look at BRCA regs... there is a lot that can be taken for granted,

The thing is Mr Christopher... you know and see where we are all coming from

yup i see where twisty and the others are coming from.
i know if i hit somone reversing out of a hose on a corner it will do just as much damage (if any) as if i hit it stationary or doing a u turn!

any one who want to get my colours in thier head my car truck looks like this :thumbsup:


http://www.radioracecar.com/ascx/Bet...3739B350F49DC1

Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson 11-04-2011 08:40 PM

I've got an idea, get all the people that want to use reverse and put them all in heats together.

taz5311 11-04-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488816)
you did not want to ask that did you?



17.6
At the Refereesdiscretion, penalties can be incurred for bad driving and/or corner cutting with any
one of the following, depending on the severity of the offence: Official Warning, Stop-Go penalty (Nationals
Only), 5 or 10 second penalty, 1 lap penalty, disqualification. The Stop-Go penalty area must be well
defined and in a position that is practical to operate.


so your point was? :woot:



Mark,
You have just answered your own question regarding reverse, It states in the rules (as they stand) that the USE of reverse will not be allowed, the same penalties outlined above will be used by the organisers to penalise the use of reverse at their discretion.

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson (Post 488830)
Durr! EXACTLY!! This is only just starting up, so at least give the rule a chance before slating it! You don't think the 1/8th National rules were writen over night and suited everybody do you?

And as far as I can see, there is only you Mark that is getting your knickers in a twist about this reverse...Just turn up and race with what has been provided for you.

Live by the theory that we have at at worksop...If you help organise, plan and put your own sweat and tear's into making it work, then you are in a position to question rules and regulations. If not, turn up and race in what has been provided for you, and be thankfull someone has took there time to make it happen so you can race your shortcourse.

im NOt slating it im questioning it

then go read the whole thread and look at twisty and others!

telboy 11-04-2011 08:42 PM

HAHA....Very funny MR christopher!!!:woot::thumbsup:



Touche!!

You can all hit Mr Christophers car because he is sponsored by DREMEL!!! so he will be able to repair it easily!:p ;)


:thumbsup:

Frecklychimp 11-04-2011 08:43 PM

Lets just concentrate on the job at hand now...

Turn up on 24th April at Silverstone Buggy Club and blast some trucks around... i'm sure when the racing starts the moaning will stop for the laughing to begin.

One thing we have all overlooked in the heat of debate...

Mark, you are a bit optimistic in expecting to be using reverse all day to get out of hoses, is that a sorry admission of being rubbish when it comes to SCT battling? :p

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taz5311 (Post 488837)
Mark,
You have just answered your own question regarding reverse, It states in the rules (as they stand) that the USE of reverse will not be allowed, the same penalties outlined above will be used by the organisers to penalise the use of reverse at their discretion.
[/LEFT]

im fully aware that the rule is there, im questioning why use it. if it stays before round 1 then so be it!

the rule was added 24 hours ago, after it was questioned on here was reverse allowed, until that time there was no rule on reverse, and i for one asumed as it was not there prior then reverse was allowed.

Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson 11-04-2011 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488838)
im NOt slating it im questioning it

then go read the whole thread and look at twisty and others!

The point is, there is no need to question it, these are the rules you have been given. Turn up and race and be grateful this series is even happening.

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frecklychimp (Post 488842)
Lets just concentrate on the job at hand now...

Turn up on 24th April at Silverstone Buggy Club and blast some trucks around... i'm sure when the racing starts the moaning will stop for the laughing to begin.

One thing we have all overlooked in the heat of debate...

Mark, you are a bit optimistic in expecting to be using reverse all day to get out of hoses, is that a sorry admission of being rubbish when it comes to SCT battling? :p

no i just know my truck is allways a bloody target, im currently talking to target
company on being sponsored :woot::p:D
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...t_logo.svg.png

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson (Post 488847)
The point is, there is no need to question it, these are the rules you have been given. Turn up and race and be grateful this series is even happening.

but the rule was NOT there 24 hours ago??????????????
oh and you got a big hook in your back...........:wub

spyro 11-04-2011 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson (Post 488836)
I've got an idea, get all the people that want to use reverse and put them all in heats together.

This is an idea I was getting at when I asked my SERIOUS question earlier. Which I only got ONE answer to.

I can't find any reference to the use of reverse in any other class rules. (and no I haven't read them all).

I have never seen a 10th buggy reverse at a BRCA regional for example.

That's because it just isn't done as all race speedo's don't (didn't) have reverse.

Maybe this will change with the introduction of the RTR Mad Rats and the likes, and next year there will be a rule.

telboy 11-04-2011 08:52 PM

the micro section have banned reverse. :)

spyro 11-04-2011 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488849)
but the rule was NOT there 24 hours ago??????????????
oh and you got a big hook in your back...........:wub

and it may not be there in another 24 hours time once we have finished the debate.

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyro (Post 488851)
This is an idea I was getting at when I asked my SERIOUS question earlier. Which I only got ONE answer to.

I can't find any reference to the use of reverse in any other class rules. (and no I haven't read them all).

I have never seen a 10th buggy reverse at a BRCA regional for example.

That's because it just isn't done as all race speedo's don't (didn't) have reverse.

Maybe this will change with the introduction of the RTR Mad Rats and the likes, and next year there will be a rule.

tekin rs pro has reverse, novak kinetic has reverse.......trust me i have made the phone calls to check, there is nothing written as its allowed!

mark christopher 11-04-2011 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telboy (Post 488853)
the micro section have banned reverse. :)

there little fragile open wheel things arnt they? :p

spyro 11-04-2011 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telboy (Post 488853)
the micro section have banned reverse. :)

ok thanks Tel... I did say I hadn't read them all!! :thumbsup:

BUT this is a good example, Micro's is reletively new class and has introduced a new rule, not seen in any other class. (Go on correct me again :lol:)

telboy 11-04-2011 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 488858)
there little fragile open wheel things arnt they? :p

Aren't Short Course trucks? :woot:....but with a big flimsy peice of lexan thrown on top?:lol:


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