Yeah remember that well, the police/authorities imposed laws/condtions on them and if they went against it they'd all get arrested so they simply don't bother any more.

They were protesting down the M4 one day and the police warned them to only use the 2 inner lanes, stick above 30 mph and then turn around when they got to the Severn bridge. Otherwise they'd be nicked.

All the boys in blue would do these days is Tazer you at the first sign of resistance and you'd probably spend more time in prison than a paedophile would. :mad:

thats the way it works aint it??? government want more money so put up taxes and people complain... so government put taxes down.... then government pass laws against complaining and then put taxes back up...... simples
goes back to roman times i think, so that the rich stay rich and the not so rich have to deal with it....

solution? get out of england before they put a law on that? oh wait they have done that too......
overthrow the government? :D

I can see the rise of 125cc commuter bikes on the way. If your thinking that yourself get one quick before sellers realise they can get more money for a 90-100mpg bike.
locally its gone up another 3pplt in the last 3 days now 136.9 for diesel

I am seriously considering LPG conversion again....

Hmmm.. good thought, how much would a typical LPG conversion cost?

Again? Your thinking of a 2nd conversion on same car :confused::lol:

Average price for a good quality LPG conversion is about £2500

I've had 2 cars on LPG. Between them I used LPG for something over 7 years. It's very good but has a few downsides

1 knowing where LPG stations are
Long trips require meticulous route planning for fill ups
Nationals etc were a scary prospect at times cos once u have LPG the last thing u want to do is fill up with petrol
It just feels like burning money!!

2 the space the tank takes in the car
Now, there are donut tanks that replace your spare wheel but they are either small volumes or they do intrude into your boot
Or there are the tanks that replace your petrol tank
But that makes point 1 even more scary!!
Or there is the big boot mounted tank that fills half your boot!!

3, you loose about 5-10% bhp on average running on LPG


However it is MUCH cheaper than petrol
On average u save about 40% per tank

Fuel prices are half of petrol I hear you cry but
U do not get the same mpg on LPG. On average 10-15% less than petrol
Thus creating an overall saving around 40%


If u have a thirsty car( mine were yank 4litre engines)
U save alot and very quickly offset that initial layout of £2500

Hope I've given u guys food for thought

Just wish I could do my diesel. Seemed a reasonable buy when it was only 90p a litre (2007)

What was the stuff people were buying from super markets to use in their diesels. Seem to recall tesco,s etc banning you from buying more than so many bottles of cooking oil or something like that. Did it really work ?

It was cooking oil.

This old (ish) top gear video tells all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFbsaNeZps

Christ, makes mine look a bargain at £1600

I know one chap who did it (mixed with diesel) - he said it was better than diesel alone.

He's since moved on to a heating oil/diesel mix! His cars are cheap and disposable...

Remember that the original Diesel engine ran on peanut oil.

know someone who uses heating oil, chip fat+ spirits and basically anything else that he can find in his diesel, its quite an old renault but it goes fine, just smells a bit funny. diesel 142.9 at the garage down the road today

Nah, sold the last one, as being Renault, it kept on going on strike regularly....

LPG conversion, for a multi-point injection, 50L fuel tank etc was £1400 incl VAT. The conversion was really good to be fair in the Espace, lost the spare but lost no room either in the boot, was barely a loss in performance either. And as most of my driving was local, I knew where all the filling stations were (24Hr and office hours).

Just done this fella, bought a cheap little Yamaha 125 sit and screw. Feel a bit of a tit riding it, but when it does around 100mpg it dont matter. Certainly beats 18mpg the BMW was doing lol.:lol:

Please don't be tempted to use veg oil etc in modern diesels ... certainly nothing common rail. The bill will be hefty, maybe even enough to write the car of in pure economic terms.

What do you bet that the tax on LPG goes up appreciably in the next few years??!!

The price of jungle juice is criminal to say the least. I have a standard 1.8 A3, it drinks it like its going out of fashion, so have taken to riding my Motorbike (YZF 'Ace) to work cos it halves the fuel bill, but I'm now considering a L plate hack as a commuter (£15 a year to tax takes me back a few years).

Ride motorbikes, Quick, before the Government ban that too (you think I'm joking)

Even my smart car feels like its drinking fuel like mad these days - the lotus has been out once this year! :(

I know a couple of people who do that, always make me want chips for dinner :lol:

50:50 mix is usually okay in older cars providing its not mega cold

Its getting common to see some of the big v6 and v8 cars now just plodding along at 55-60mph to save fuel. Bloke over the road sold his big jag for a more fuel efficient diesel.

I'm glad someone put this. I work next to a diesel specialist and it's shocking how many decent dead cars he gets in. I don't think it's to bad on the old chug chug diesels as long as you change the filters regular. But common rail is a big no no.


My scooby is really hurting my pocket at the moment. £70 to fill her up and 220miles later I'm back again. Saving grace is I only do about 6k a year in her.

is it true that in any country in the world if you use recycled oil or used chip fat in your car its free but in the uk you have to make a company (legally) so that the government can tax you???? im sure i heard that somewhere....

No. I sometimes hear things, but that I put down to old age!! :D :D

no your right.. you dont have to make a company but you "have" to tell the tax man you are using veg oil to run your car so he can tax you on it....:lol:

This is getting a bit stupid now. In the space of 10 days its gone up by 4p lt for diesel now 137.9 lt. I know its not as expensive as other parts of the country but still hurts your wallet when you fill up.

Every fill up the price of fuel leaps for me too. :cry:

Mountain bike ready, but im far from it. Save some money by riding more, driving less. Ive already started driving sensibly - with MPG's in mind.

Think I'm gunna get a magic box (chip) for my sorento. 15% extra mpg. Gotta help in this climate!

not just fuel, my insurance has leaped £200 in a space of 12 months.... and even the meerkets can't help!

Insurance, what a racket. They tell you the premiums have gone up because of all the winter accidents due to adverse conditions, etc.
B*llocks. They've gone up because they lost a load of money tied into all the banks & financial market. So the premiums get jacked to claw back the dough. We all get to pay for the lousy banks twice effectively.
I hate to think what's going to happen to our premiums when the bill for the Japanese disaster rolls in..:(

Worse still, I am low mileage, full no-claims, no convictions, protected NCB... grrr

Makes no difference, as the premium is largely decided by matters beyond your driving history etc. Funnily enough they don't tend to talk about this though.

Car insurance companies' losses have nothing to do with the banks or financial markets. It's a business run on statistics and logic - until they all got carried away with trying to outbid each other on price through those comparison websites. They lost a lot of money, and now we are being asked to pay that back.

One interesting thing - people I know who insure through Direct Line, including me, have had a lower percentage increase in their premiums than most others who are on those sites. It's purely subjective I know, but it does make me wonder...

Lastly, and by no means least, companies in all parts of our lives have discovered that when they put prices up, nothing happens. We don't protest, we don't organise ourselves to make their business hurt, we don't change our habits. We carry on driving just as we did before, we carry on running and insuring our cars, we carry on buying our petrol not in low-cost supermarkets, and we carry on going to Sainsbury and Waitrose as opposed to switching to Lidl and Asda.

Just imagine is we all worked together, and put ourselves out so that we all bought petrol from only (say) Shell, and boycotted all other stations? If (say) Esso reduced prices, we all switched to them. But, if someone tried to organise this, the apathetic British wouldn't do anything to put themselves out for the greater good. Frankly, people, we only have ourselves to blame here!

£1.39 at last nights diesel fill-up, but only 20% increase in my premium - some days you just get lucky!!

Direct Line, your joking, or is it me then... my renewal with Zurich, £744, which I thought was flamin steep, so I gave Direct Line a go... £1500 FFS!!

Six of us in the office, plus my wife, all had the lowest quote and/or the least increase from DL. Yours is the first to go the other way. Like I said, hardly definitive and not something I am hanging my hat on.

Yeah, I know, Insurance is a post code lottery, I nearly fell off me chair when I seen that!! So much for the 'two months free' lol

Direct line wanted over £300 more on my renewal :mad: maybe thats why there not on them sites?
I ended up paying less than last year after using one :thumbsup:

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From 14-12-10 locally unleaded is now 130.9lt (tesco) up by 8pence lt and diesel is 140.9lt up 18pence lt. I dont use the local at Dobbs Hill which charges 144.9 for diesel. I dont see these prices reversing as we just seem to accept them.

so much for that 1p reduction. Even trusty morrisons is now up to 141.9 for derv :(