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tony12795 21-01-2009 11:18 AM

Here is mine:-

Front -
Track Washers - 1mm front and back
Roll Bar - 1.2
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Middle
Front Rake - 10 Degrees (Std)
Front Yoke - 7.5 degrees
Washers - 0mm
Front Link Bracket - 43mm
Washers on Hub - 0

Rear -
Wheel Base - Short
Toe In - 1.5mm Rear, .5mm front
Anti Squat Washers - 1.5mm Rear, 0.5mm Front
Rear Link Bracket - 37.5mm
Washers - 4mm
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Inside
Hub Postion - Mid
Roll Bar - 1.2


Shocks

Front -
32.5wt (Sch) on 3 Holes
Schumacher greys Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Rear -
25wt (Sch) on 2 Holes
Schumacher red Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Transmission-
Rear Diff Height - High
Front Diff Height - Low
Layshaft Pulley - Pin Through
Front Drive - Diff
Gearing - 80 x 22 on Speed Passion 6.5
Internal Ratio - Std

Tyres
Yellow Mini Pin all round, Schumacher Green Inserts.

fouadouille 21-01-2009 08:06 PM

parts
 
hi, simon thank you for the set up and the alls parts you are :thumbsup:
best regars fouad elward from france !

Arn0 22-01-2009 05:32 PM

I did collect some setups during the Petit, here are some for the CAT SX

Simon Moss
Mark Musgrove
James Helliwell

More CAT SX setups

Swiss 01-02-2009 08:22 PM

I have been running the car outdoors for a couple of weeks now... Car seems nice and quick. I just wondered if anyone else had been running it outdoors, (predominately grass astro tracks) and what was their thoughts, set ups??

garystyger 02-02-2009 12:08 PM

Outdoor Set-Up : Dirt track
 
Does anybody including the team drivers have a recommended base set-up for the car on a dirt track (not clay!). The tracks here are typically dirt tracks with medium to low traction in different parts of the track.

I will start with the Simon Moss set-up from the Euros and go from there? Is this recommended?

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated!

Thanks again and awesome car, by the way.

nickhudson 02-02-2009 02:10 PM

what was your starting set-up ?. i'd be interested as i'll be running mainly on grass & astro



Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss (Post 203518)
I have been running the car outdoors for a couple of weeks now... Car seems nice and quick. I just wondered if anyone else had been running it outdoors, (predominately grass astro tracks) and what was their thoughts, set ups??


Swiss 02-02-2009 02:32 PM

Hi Nick

Here is my starting set up;

Front -

Track Washers - 3mm front and back
Roll Bar - No
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Middle
Front Rake - 10 Degrees
Washers - 0mm
Front Link Bracket - 38mm
Washers on Hub - 1 gold

Rear -
Wheel Base - Short
Toe In - 4.5mm Rear, 2mm front = 3.25 degrees
Anti Squat Washers - 2mm Rear, 2mm Front = 0 degrees
Rear Link Bracket - 37.5mm
Washers - 5mm
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Inside
Hub Postion - Middle
Roll Bar - yes


Shocks

Front -
30wt on 3 Holes
Schumacher Grey Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - level with rear
Ackerman link 44mm ctr to ctr.

Rear -
25wt on 3 Holes
Schumacher Red Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Transmission-
Rear Diff Height - Low
Front Diff Height - Low
Layshaft Pulley - one way
Front Drive - Diff
Gearing - 83 x 21 on LRP 5.5
Internal Ratio - std
Speedo settigns 2,3,3,3

Tyres
Yellow Mini spike all round, Edit Inserts.

Any questions feel free to ask.

I think that is it. I am going to try longer ball studs all round, (on shocks) to give the car more droop, next time I race. Also 35wt front oil.

I used this at Stotfold at the weekend.. It was actually just dry enough to get away with yellows.

Tell me what you think.

nickhudson 02-02-2009 02:52 PM

thanks for that. it's given me something to think about.

quick questions :-

why the extra wide front track ? (3mm washers)
was the front hub cut flat ?
how thick was the rear roll bar ?
did you try it with the standard width (44mm ?) front link bracket ?

cheers

nick

Swiss 02-02-2009 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickhudson (Post 203881)
thanks for that. it's given me something to think about.

quick questions :-
why the extra wide front track ? (3mm washers) My thoughts on this was to make the car as wide as possible, someone can correct me if I am wrong here but the wider the more stable.
was the front hub cut flat ? Yes
how thick was the rear roll bar ? Thin'est
did you try it with the standard width (44mm ?) front link bracket ? Yes, I thought the narrower front link bracket gave the front end a more consistant feel, when turning in and through the corner. With the std bracket on the car had a lot of initial turn in...

Please note I am currently using NiMh, not LiPo.

cheers

nick

I have added my answers.. Hope this helps. Why how have you been runing the car...

nickhudson 02-02-2009 03:51 PM

thanks again - not run the car yet (only finished building it yesterday) but its all good background information when it comes to thrashing (crashing :lol:) it around the coventry astro track.

Chrislong 22-02-2009 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrislong (Post 185995)
My setup asof Dec08. Its an AWESOME all-rounder for indoors. I have used it at Worksop, South Sheilds and Bury (completely unchanged). It is the best I have driven a 4wd car, and with each run I seem to be able to go faster - as I can drive it like it is stolen and it just takes it.....

PLEASE do copy it (to every detail) and let me know your thoughts.

http://s39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ndoorsetup.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ndoorsetup.jpg

After making small changes, and believing I had moved on from this, today i went back to it and ...... it was still the best!!! My best lap using this was identical to the round before, but the difference is that this setup is far easier to drive.

The only change I have kept is the medium rate front roll bar.

t.o. rob 22-03-2009 09:39 PM

I was just wondering if anyone has any setups for indoor carpet high traction and outdoor clay tracks setups, besides the ones on the Schumacher site.

I just joined the Schumacher team and am racing out of Toronto, Canada.

Any help would be deeply appreciated.

Thanks:thumbsup:

Chrislong 24-03-2009 12:43 PM

Mossy's setups are very good, have a look for his that he used in Italy, that'll be what id start with for clay.

For carpet, try mine above, its ace.

Mossy 24-03-2009 07:20 PM

For Carpet, use mine that is posted on the Schumacher website for the Petit RC Race as a starting point.

Si

t.o. rob 29-03-2009 11:08 PM

Thanks guys,

I tried Simon's Petit Rc setup with some Corally Tire Traction. The car was hooking up and was just great. I'll be using it more often. When the weather gets better, I'll be trying the Italy Euro setup for the clay. :cool:

t.o. rob 29-03-2009 11:19 PM

QUESTION?

Is there a softer tire than that of the yellow mini-pin?

tony12795 01-04-2009 02:02 PM

No, Yellow is the softest

frefon 01-04-2009 10:01 PM

hi,
Have you a good starting cat sx's set up for astro track ?
thanks for answer

t.o. rob 02-04-2009 11:41 PM

Sorry, a little off topic. I am looking for some XLS Cat parts. I'm trying to restore my cat from the 80's.

Any help would be deeply appreciated.:confused:

Chrislong 03-04-2009 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t.o. rob (Post 225488)
Sorry, a little off topic. I am looking for some XLS Cat parts. I'm trying to restore my cat from the 80's.

Any help would be deeply appreciated.:confused:

Start a new thread for this Rob, you'll have more chance of finding somebody with a new thread. Hope you get the parts, and PLEASE show us a picture :thumbsup:

stefke 03-04-2009 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by frefon (Post 224951)
hi,
Have you a good starting cat sx's set up for astro track ?
thanks for answer

Here is my setup for a very high grip astro track. For those who know the Belgian GP track, this setup is for a track with even more grip !

Swiss 03-04-2009 12:46 PM

Is anyone lese having trouble viewing this? I just get two blanks sheets???

Carlos69 03-04-2009 02:36 PM

same

stefke 03-04-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss (Post 225625)
Is anyone lese having trouble viewing this? I just get two blanks sheets???


Apparently the pdf-file on my USB-stick is not working. I'll try uploading a viewable version when I get home.

t.o. rob 03-04-2009 10:19 PM

I will post a new thread for sure for the Cat XLS. I will post a pic of the old cat.

I'm going to try your setup at the track this weekend, I'll tell you how it goes.

I just wanted to know if there any alluminum rear hubs for the new cat, or any other compatible parts for the new cat. I noticed the rear hubs are a little brittle.

Chrislong 03-04-2009 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t.o. rob (Post 225831)
I will post a new thread for sure for the Cat XLS. I will post a pic of the old cat.

I'm going to try your setup at the track this weekend, I'll tell you how it goes.

I just wanted to know if there any alluminum rear hubs for the new cat, or any other compatible parts for the new cat. I noticed the rear hubs are a little brittle.

I have never ever heard or seen of any rear hubs breaking. Have you done any? From experience, in a big crash the rear wishbone will go first, but only in a BIG crash, they are certainly not weak.

t.o. rob 04-04-2009 12:49 AM

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Yeah it was a BIG rear end hit, twice. It was during practice, and Slasher did me in the first time, and the second was a T4. I haven't broken any since. Gotta watch out for the monsters.

Attached is a pic of the old XLS Cat.

J_WOODY 04-04-2009 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t.o. rob (Post 225856)

Attached is a pic of the old XLS Cat.

It shouldn't need that much to get it running, you've got the hardest part to find intact, which is the rear upper wishbone assembly, repro shells are available on fleabay, good luck restoring it:thumbsup:

stefke 10-04-2009 01:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stefke (Post 225593)
Here is my setup for a very high grip astro track. For those who know the Belgian GP track, this setup is for a track with even more grip !

New attempt.

Remember : this is a setup for a very high grip astro track, hence the staggered ribs at the front. It's not a universal astro setup.

frefon 10-04-2009 06:13 PM

hi stefke,
thanks for info but with grey spring on rear it isn't too stif (because it is the same spring als carpet indoor track), have you try red spring?:confused:

stefke 10-04-2009 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frefon (Post 228361)
hi stefke,
thanks for info but with grey spring on rear it isn't too stif (because it is the same spring als carpet indoor track), have you try red spring?:confused:

in fact I qualified with rear red springs, but the grey springs I used during the finals allowed me to lower the car a bit more without botteming after jumps. And it provided a bit more agressive steering with the front staggered ribs. That track is very smooth so the suspension doesn't have to cope with bumps.

t.o. rob 12-04-2009 11:50 PM

thanks for the setup! I'm going to try it next week at the track. I haven't tried the Cat with the sway bar in the front yet. Who makes the staggered rib Y tyres?

thanks...

Somerwil 16-04-2009 05:40 PM

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Hi guys,

here's my setup for the MVB track in the Netherlands. It's a dirt track some a section with carpet on it.

I'm having some difficulties to keep the rear end in the good direction and will need some more stability to make more constant laps. Turn-in steering is brilliant and suits my driving style ver good but coming out of the corner makes the rear end loose.

Reading through the replies above I should consider an overdrive pulley and the 7.5 blocks but is there anything more I can do about it without these items?

Thanks in advance,
Michael Somerwil

Mossy 16-04-2009 08:45 PM

Take a look at the setup on the Schumacher website that i ran at the Euros on Clay. Good place to start if your after something to try.

Si

Somerwil 17-04-2009 10:55 AM

OK Si,

I'll switch my setup to yours and give it a try on this weekend's club meeting. Will keep you updated.

Gr,
Mike

Mossy 18-04-2009 10:36 AM

A few people have emailled me asking for the setup i ran last week at Southport. For those who dont know the track is high grip and pretty bumpy, multi surface throughout.

Front -

Track Washers - 1mm front and back
Roll Bar - No
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Middle
Front Rake - 10 degrees
Washers - 3.5mm
Front Link Bracket - 43mm
Washers on Hub - 0
Front Yokes - 7.5degree alloy, inside hole

Rear -
Wheel Base - Short
Toe In - 2.5mm Rear, .5mm front = 2.6 degrees
Anti Squat Washers - 2mm Rear, 0.5mm Front = 1.95 degrees
Rear Link Bracket - 37.5mm
Washers - 4mm
Shock Position Mount - Middle
Shock Position Wishbone - Inside
Hub Postion - Outside
Roll Bar - 1.2


Shocks

Front -
30wt on 3 Holes
Schumacher Grey Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Rear -
27.5wt (mixed Schumacher, not Losi) on 3 Holes
Schumacher Red Springs
Diaphragm - Centre cut out and removed
Ride Height - Wishbones level

Transmission-
Rear Diff Height - High
Front Diff Height - High
Layshaft Pulley - Pin Through
Front Drive - One Way
Gearing - 81 x 24 on Speed Passion 5.5
Internal Ratio - 34 Tooth Pulley

This setup will give you a fair bit of steering.

Si

Cruise 18-04-2009 12:24 PM

Simons setup as PDF, well it shows that the PDF is too big so sorry:blush:


Cruise

Arn0 20-04-2009 02:34 AM

Here is Simon Moss'setup @ Southport on 12.04.2009

And here is Ralf Missel'setup @ Leonberg on 22-23.03.2009

Both PDF documents were filled by Cruise.

Thanks again!

ulrich 20-04-2009 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arn0 (Post 231803)


I believe there is something wrong with Simon Moss set-up, take a look of front and rear shocks..

Ulrich

Arn0 21-04-2009 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulrich (Post 232085)
I believe there is something wrong with Simon Moss set-up, take a look of front and rear shocks..

Ulrich

I did not check prior as I did trust Cruise but that's sorted.


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