The kit from Schumacher swaps the wishbones, but not the hangers, thats why it is 6mm shorter.

Got you! Cheers for clearing that up!

so this is what i gathered,
-just swaping the shocks to the back does not change the wheel base
-swaping the shocks and arms shortens the base by 6mm
-swaping shocks, arms and blocks does????

swapping shocks arms and blocks keeps wheel base simular.:thumbsup:

the kit is raccomanded for use with alloy upper rear trasmission...
but if take for mount on the standard plastic upper rear trasmission?:eh?:

Well I have done a little bench testing and to be honest, I'm not quite sure of exactly which is the right way to go :confused:

The problem with just swapping the arms over (as per the Schuie mod) is it makes a big difference to wheelbase (which may not be a big deal) but it increases the driveshaft sweep enormously, in fact more than on any other off road car I've ever seen!

This might provide more grip, but I believe it will bind the rear suspension, making it handle even worse on rough tracks :eh?:

I think this is where Chris Long's idea is perhaps better as it would appear to offer a slightly better weight distribution, but also improved handling.

I suppose the key question is what is everyone tring to achieve - more grip or better handling?

I'd be interested to hear what others think about the driveshaft sweep, and in particular, how much is too much?

I also agree with the suggestion that it's the volume of the shocks that need looking at, I personally think the kit shocks are crap :thumbdown:

Me pesonally so far think the shorter wheelbase as per schumacher mod is the best (for me)! Not that it will suit all tracks though!

Chris's wau of doing gives pretty much the same result as just moving the shock to back, if your not confident of drilling a new hole for the shock then Chris option would be better, but TBH its fairly easy to do new hole, but it could go wrong lol!

What i did originally a while ago if you do wish to shorten the wheel base is, on the wishbone there are 2 plastics bits either side, one about 2mm i have sanded this off to move wishbone forward then put a 2mm kwick klip in the back!

I ran mine today (with other mods), and it felt really good. It felt better than my unmodified Cat by far, but I was struggling for power as I was running some lower power Lipo's than usual.... so I need to run it again with something with some bang in them.

The track today had some areas where traction was low, and the car squirmed on power, just like the std car did. But watching Nathan Waters and he clearly got the power down and made less of a deal about it.

So I reckon the mod using the Schumacher option parts is the way to go. Then trim 2mm off the rear of the flipped wishbones to recover a little bit of length in the wheelbase - just like Pupton said.

The driveshaft sweep will stiffen up the suspension on power, as the dogbone naturally wants to run straight at speed. So on acceleration it will stop the rear from squating, and drive the tyres into the ground creating some mechanical additional grip. At constant high speed, say on the straight, it will make the back end bob about. Could just balance this by softening the shocks..... but..... by putting the shocks on the back with the shift of weight etc, the shocks in theory should be a shade harder - so by not changing them atall we may be counter acting the driveshaft sweep effect...

Trial and error...... thats how I work, just try to learn from it... :lol: (so I can ask you when I forget)

I'm still not convinced by the mod. I ran mine as per kit standrad today at Blyth and finsihed 3rd and not that far of Nathan, I also did qualify as the highest placed CAT (in the Non-Regiona).

I honestly believe it comes down to driving style. I'm not that aggresive and fairly smooth, due to this I don't believe it will have an effect.

I will of course be trying the mod but it will be the next time I have a 'free fun' meeting.

Agree with Chris about runnin a touch harder. I ran 30wt on 3 holes in the rear at Oswestry, which is 5wt harder than i normally run. Movin the shocks out to the back will allow you to run stiffer oils due to shiftin the weight of the rear end.

Si

+ 1 ..

hey mark here are the pics ive alterd the shock tower mountings since wednesday i think you will agree this is better.

stu

Looks sweet Stu! Iv done my one today, if I can figure out how to post pics I will! I have drilled arms and left wishbones and mounts as they are.The garden test seemed better, Wednesday will be the proof!

This is how I did my rear shock mod: I used long M3 bolts and a damper tube from an AE L4 12th car drilled out to act as a spacer for the shock tower, shock mounts are std and a re drilled the arms. Since this photo I have fitted the Sch SWB kit.

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and this is me


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Guys, both of you need to note, if there is not enough surface area between the tower and the mount (the spacing) then the screw will bend very easily. Being spaced back it'll have more leverage, so you need something to spread the load.

I have now fitted the Schumacher kit, and it feels great. I have gone with the short wheelbase rather than trimming the wishbones atall to get it back, and it feels really good... but it also felt really good the way I did it before, and before that - it still felt really good with shock on the front. LOL

I ran mine with the Schum kit yesterday on a rather bumpy hard packed clay track.

I first tried the kit layout (front shocks), then shocks at the rear with drilled arms and finally the Schumacher kit.

I felt little difference between the kit layout and the drilled arms rear shock mod. The rear shocks felt a little grippier but nothing major.
As usual, the CAT drove like it always does on slippery or bumpy tracks as a really pronounced "front end car", with the rear drivetrain sometimes a little "lost" in the proces (if you know what i mean).

Mounting the Schum kit and swapping the rear arms made one hell of a difference. Suddenly the rear end felt rock solid. It generated so much more grip, i had to change a lot on my setup to get enough front end bite to compensate. :D

Is it better ? I don't think it's actullay much faster on a single lap, but it certainly makes the car a lot safer/easier to push hard on bumpy, slippery surfaces and that's always a good thing.

im assuming you are talking about shotning the wheel base and mounting schu kit

I think that is what I felt too at EPR, but I have also moved the weight far more rearward in my chassis.... and it feels soooooo much more pushable.

How ? (apart from the SWB change and rear mounted shocks)