No its not, Bloomfield won with a KF in wet & dry with one car.

is there a big difference as to the feel and handling of the car from a mid to a rear motor car? My bmax 2 I run as a mid motor but just bought a bmax 2 roller and am setting this up to run as a rear motor to try it out. At least if I don't like it I have a spare car to set up as another mid motor or a donor car :)

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I was going to make the point that there was nothing cheap about bloomfields wins and if you believe he didn't have ALL available cars in his van just in case then you're all mad:p

The point someone made about cost is having those cars, whether using them or not, and of course he had them. He also probably used more tyres in the season than everyone posting on here combined. racing aint cheap.

Not having a bash at schumacher, i bought with MY cold hard cash the K1 and the KR. Not used my kr but the k1 was awesome. Getting a new one is high on my list when i have money. KF doesn't interest me because it's just not my driving style really. I'm sure it would be epicly fun to race on high grip tracks and everyone loves it from my experience.

I find that being able to have two different cars driven at one meeting signed on by one driver is the problem, wet car and a dry car as for on road and low and high grip configuration for off road.

if when you sign on you elect which car you are driving was the norm then by the law of averages the most useable car would become the norm.

I am talking about racing out side and on Astro, if you are inside or on dirt then it would be forward or rear motor.

The biggest trouble with this trend is that what was a competitive cheap hobby is becoming to specialised a chassis for this a chassis for that, and we all know where that leads to is, higher cost = less drivers = less clubs = no hobby

Other sections are seeing their numbers drop partly due to travel cost and price of kits and engines, for once why does the governing not say two chassis designs one rear and one mid, that uses the same gear box rotated for rear or mid e.g Tlr 22, dex210, sv2 etc.

We must be the only motor sport that is governed by the manufactures and not by our elected committees as to what we drive and where our sport goes, I am not against progress and development, it seems since we now have motors that never ware out and batteries that have more power than ever before servos and radios that work with out interference the rear, mid, forward chassis is a easy way to keep us buying stuff.

For example a typical father and son want to go racing so to buy two chassis kits £640.00

Yokomo YZ-2 - Now Available to Pre-Order

Our Price £319.99 - Stock Due Jan 2015

I raced my Losi xxx-cr at the Southport round of oople, best fun racing I've had in ages! :drool:

Everyone can vote for a change of rules at the brca agm if they attend and get enough votes to pass it.

The cost of the rc kits/motors/batteries/radio equipment hasnt gone up that much over the 20 years i have been racing, i think its cheaper than ever before, but its still an expensive hobby

2wd kit costs have gone up, plus with mid motor, tyre wear has also gone up to.

Not much tho. Agree on tyres, but that's cos we are going faster ;)

having raced for twenty years now I would say its never been so cheap to race (having spent £50 pound a set on matched nicads x 6sets 50 pound a brushed motor that didn't last very long and speedos at £150 each )

nowadays we can all be "as fast as each other a lot cheaper " Note speed doens't make a great driver but it does level up the playing field good drivers will always make it to the top

tyre costs are probably the biggest issue which as has been said is down to the surfaces we run on
Astro need little maintenance and anything that assists our hard pressed officials to run a meeting for us to race at will always help,without the volunteers were scuppered !!FACT


RC has never been cheap but pit against premier league footy match or full size motor racing meeting its value for money

regards dave

Being one of them 'hard pressed race officials' the cost in time of running Astro and grass is about the same really, the time it takes to make an astro track and then the week to week maintenance etc...

The main cost of racing is tires and might be a big off putter for new people or people who want to race more (me), I'm not saying that the company's should lower the prices but it might attract more people if the price was lower so they'd sell more and the shops would do better selling models/ rc thing's (its a big gamble). Another way to lower the cost might be to limit the amount of tires that people can use each meeting (this might already be in effect) or have a longer lasting tire but that effect sales for isn't a great option for the shops.

Bit off topic I know.

please nobody start suggesting limitations on gearboxes again. my homemade mid 2wd is a damn slight easier to drive than the b4 it is based on, gearbox is from an old tc3 tourer i had hanging around so obviously this would not be reversable. theres no way i would go out and buy another car if they stopped use of this type of gearbox, i would be back to the b4 chassis and really pissed off. dont impose more construction rules, i know i am not at the competetive end of things, but if you want to limit costs just limit tyres! limit the number of sets a driver can use in a meeting, have seen drivers mount new sets for every race before now. if you limit tyres then that also places limits on the chassis layout and setups that can be used as if they are too aggressive the car wont work.

Dug this out and raced it on Faversham's astro, was pretty good against the modern mid/front motor cars, was good fun and jumped really well

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Now the world's are allowing astro I doubt rear motor will survive, it will be mid or front from now on

My current opinion and rule change I'd love to see:

Rear motor buggies only. 2wd Buggy should be a car designed to handle both high and low grip with the same car, and the motor would need to be within a certain distance behind the driving axle.

A rule change that will never happen globally, no matter how fun it would be. I am certainly not one against development, but I am against rules that makes having at least two if not even three different 2wheelers with you to any race "necessary"...

What is good with the development right now?

Well, with Yokomo and Yatabe arena making the push for an Astro worlds, and the release for a new midmotor only YZ-2, is the fact that they seem to be pushing for a racing world where only one kind of 2 wheel drive layout is needed. Simplicity is key IMO, and if all racing in the world was on astro, we would hopefully be back to where manufacturers won't bother offering you three different chassis for one class.

How many full size of on road or off road cars have the engine behind the rear axle?

First of all, why should we care? It's not like our cars have great scale appearance...

Second of all, when I googled, most full size buggies seem to have their motors either behind or on top of their rear axle.

And they race on what surface?

Do you really want to go back to the situation of several years ago: Very few manufacturers and one dominant one, little innovation and changes in the design. Sure I bet racing was fun back then, but design-wise it was a pretty boring class.

A standard class is nice for close racing, but consider this: When the stakes are high enough, racers or manufacturers will find ways to bypass regulations to go quicker, so to keep the playing field level, either everyone must implement these bypasses, or they should be forbidden. Before you know it, racers will implement approaches to going quicker that are very hard to prohibit as they are difficult to control - a nice example is the whole tire situation around the last EFRA Euros, or the amount of trouble people go to to have a dominant pace in stock classes :thumbdown: Is that really what you want the 2WD Buggy class to go to?

Looking back to the whole goal of standardisation, it is to make the field more closely matched. Of course, regulations that are too open will mean that a big budget will allow you to buy a car for every surface, but you can't equal out differences with regulations entirely... so don't, it will only add grief to a sport that's intended for the highest fun-factor.

Instead, I think Janus' comment to restrict the amount of different cars someone is allowed to run at one event (or even during a racing season) is quite a clever one :) Also, here's an idea from me: Make seperate series for high-bite and low-bite tracks, or clay/dirt and artificial surfaces - that also prevents the confusion of what sort of car to run, especially in combination with restrictions in switching cars during an event.