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werner1619 20-01-2008 08:54 PM

hehehe, don't worry mine tooo

Northy 20-01-2008 09:48 PM

Jimmy's Burga went ACE today! :D

jimmy 20-01-2008 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wayneski (Post 86098)
So jimmy, how did it go?
Was at kiddy again today. Boucing quite a bit at the rear so I think it's time to try the 501 shocks.
Met Simon from stoke there (says he knows you) Jeee suus can that man drive!
Embarrassed by my ineptitude doesn't quite cover it. Top fella though.
Is there a guide or a faq somewhere that will explain to me in words of 1 syllable or less the ins and outs of setting up suspension? Like what the differences are between the inner and outer holes on the shock mounts? How thicker oil will affect steering/traction? That kind of thing.
Basically an idiots guide for a............ beginner:)


good! I was getting used to the track and the car but I went faster every round. I was in a low qualifier because I race north west now - so I was having to lap some cars and they weren't making it easy. I won all my qualifiers and qualified C6 - I think there were 8 heats of 4WD. I wasn't over joyed and wanted the B final but there was a lot of good racing and the times were close. Had the usual mare in the final - ended up last but fought back to the leaders and finished 3rd, 2 seconds behind the winner.

The car was ace - there were some 501X drivers there (and plenty of others) who were shocked how good it was. Stu Wood took a little video of one of the qualifiers so I'll put that up as soon as I can find the lead for the camera. :)
but yeah, over all the track was awesome and really fun to drive - the 'hop ups' I had on the car certainly helped - shocks - slipper - one way diff.

I was also running the new 501X/DB01 front wheels for the first time - the white ones. They are a really tight fit on the hexes - indeed you can't even put them on the hex by hand. I had to carefully tighten the nut in order to push the wheel on - so the hex is a lot tighter and less prone to stripping out with a one-way diff, which I've experienced a few times with the 501X and also happened at Southport last weekend on the Durga.

Spoolio 20-01-2008 10:13 PM

Gearing
 
Anybody done a gear chart yet? I notice that the kit spur/pulley combo (91T/37T) is different to the 501X so wasn't sure how to interpret the chart thats already been posted. Is the 87T spur recommended?

General Accident 20-01-2008 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bender (Post 76896)
Yes, you will need 2 x 950 bearings.

950 means 9mm outside diameter x 5mm inside diameter.

Can anyone advise where I can get some? I can't find any on ebay which is usually my first stop for stuff like this. Ta.

AaronR 20-01-2008 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spoolio (Post 86180)
Anybody done a gear chart yet? I notice that the kit spur/pulley combo (91T/37T) is different to the 501X so wasn't sure how to interpret the chart thats already been posted. Is the 87T spur recommended?

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/cars/...-gearchart.pdf

jimmy 20-01-2008 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spoolio (Post 86180)
Anybody done a gear chart yet? I notice that the kit spur/pulley combo (91T/37T) is different to the 501X so wasn't sure how to interpret the chart thats already been posted. Is the 87T spur recommended?

Yes, I made one for the db01 / 501X worlds

I am using the 91T spur - I am not sure if the 96 will fit the Durga so I didn't indicate that it does on the chart - if someone can confirm it does then I'll change the chart.

The chart is on this page:

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/cars/501x/


edit: oop, thanks Aaron- you're too quick for me! :)

DCM 20-01-2008 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Accident (Post 86182)
Can anyone advise where I can get some? I can't find any on ebay which is usually my first stop for stuff like this. Ta.

www.fusionhobbies.com

Toonz 21-01-2008 02:54 AM

i want to use the DF-03 trf shocks on the durga.

what is the proper shock length for the front and rear?:)

jimmy 21-01-2008 08:24 AM

The rear shocks will likely be too long - you can put spacers inside to limit droop but I'm not certain they will fully compress. They are nice shocks but the pistons supplied aren't a big improvement on the kit shocks - I found it hard to get the desired damping.


Just for werner - I put up a little clip of the Durga review car in action yesterday at York indoor regional. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaTxt7nUt2I

Nyna 21-01-2008 08:29 AM

Although I am not Werner I have dared to watch the video on YouTube. That thing is a really sweet runner. Very nice and smooth. I really hope to win this.

Northy 21-01-2008 08:56 AM

The car really does perform just as well as cars that cost over 4 times the price, it was going really well yesterday on our simple track :p

G

Eddie168 21-01-2008 09:40 AM

Mine Durga not going very well for me, the rear arm keeps on popin out it happened last week and this week as well although i already put shims in it to make it stronger, i was starting 2nd in the final and soon as the race starts someone just hit at the back of my durga then the whole thing poped out. i broke one of the black plastic ball connector thing that link with the suspension arm. Any have any idea how to slove this problem? :(

DCM 21-01-2008 09:45 AM

once the alloy rear suspension mounts are out from 3Racing, that will solve it Eddie.

501X shocks, you need to put at least 3mm of limiters in the rear shocks to stop popping of rear driveshafts.

jimmy 21-01-2008 09:50 AM

Where you get that DCM? I was running 501X dampers with zero limiters in that video?

mrbiccies 21-01-2008 09:51 AM

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Thought I would post a piccy of my Durga along side my Touring car....
It has the Titanium screws, carbon shock towers, front one way and slipper clutch. Waiting for the postman to deliver the CVD's, still trying to source some 501X dampers :confused: so have fitted my DF03 ones as a temporary measure for now.

DCM 21-01-2008 10:05 AM

I put some 501X cvd's on the rear (ok, they are yeah racing ones) and on full droop, the cvd's would pop out of the outdrive.

jimmy 21-01-2008 10:07 AM

oh right, I am using the dogbones all round still and theres plenty (and plenty) of room left. I haven't tried the 501X CVD's on the Durga, but I have tried them on the 501X (jokes!)
I wonder if the shafts you mention are actually a bit short? Maybe I will try the 501X ones on my Durga if I find the time, just to make sure.

DCM 21-01-2008 10:08 AM

thats what I am wondering, might have to get myself some TRF shafts me thinks....

bender 21-01-2008 11:55 AM

I run my 501x shocks and cvds on my durga and as DCM said, at the rear, if you use the middle hole in the suspension arm - then you do need to add some internal spacers.

I am running mine at 2.5mm inside the rear shocks but only 0.5mm in the front.

jimmy 21-01-2008 12:12 PM

we thinking the shock tower is marginally lower on the Durga then?

Mutant 21-01-2008 05:55 PM

with the standard TRF springs that come in the damper bag, even with the spring retainers fully wound up, and the shocks lying down (top, inner bottom,outer) i still cannot get the rear low enough. Just managed paralell with the soft TRF springs. I'm guessing that this is because the durga shock towers are a little lower than my 501.

A.J. Gee 21-01-2008 11:15 PM

nice job with the Durga video that was added on youtube about 22 hours ago. I also wanted to mention that i was very happy to see Radio Control Car Action magazine do a review on the DB-01 buggy. The writers for the review were spot on, as they mentioned about the screws being tough to thread the plastic. They also mentioned the error that was made in the manual about flipping the diffs when putting the thrust bearing and screw in the short side of the out drive rather than the long out drive.
The section where they have plus and minus about the car is as follows. the pluses (+). -Tamiya Racing Factory performance for hundreds less than the 501x. -Well balanced chassis, slick belt drive. -Accepts Losi X-series and associated B44 wheels. -Future-tech styling. The minuses (-) -Front universals would be nice. -Tight fitting screws are tough on the wrist.
Another part of the article includes to say. " The Durga isn't a first time drivers (or kit builders) best choice for a play buggy (go for Tamiyas DF-03 or DF-02 buggies instead), but for performance-minded drivers with a little experience, the Durga is responsive, reliable, raceable car with Tamiya Racing Factory DNA.
Hey Jimmy: If you feel that i may be endangered for plagiarism, as i did quote part of the article word for word, please delete it immediately. Thanks



A.J.

Toonz 22-01-2008 01:25 AM

which issue of the magazine did the review? i'm going to get it.....

A.J. Gee 22-01-2008 02:20 AM

March 2008

Toonz 22-01-2008 02:53 AM

great! thanks:)

Toonz 22-01-2008 02:55 AM

i'm going to watch the video tonight..... stupid company blocks the youtube site!

jimmy i notice that you use the peak vantage quite often. is that your favourite motor?:D how fast are they actually? like the amount of rpm?

bender 22-01-2008 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 86281)
we thinking the shock tower is marginally lower on the Durga then?

I just did a quick comparison between my 501 and Durga, and yes, the rear shock mount is about 3mm lower when measures from the suspension hinge pin.

I didn't measure the front as this doesn't appear any different.

I'd like to see some shorter rear springs for the car. With 501 shocks on it (with the extra internal limiting) it is difficult to get the rear ride height right, even with the spring retaining nut unscrewed all the way (using AE green springs).

Toonz 22-01-2008 09:41 AM

just something to share here about the shock length....

i bought a recent japan rc magazine and it features satoshi maezumi's setting on the durga using 501X shocks.

rear shock length 103mm (soft 501 spring)
front shock length 83mm (medium 501 spring)

mounting position is according to instruction for all shocks.

ride height:
front 23mm
rear 24mm (with 1mm suspension spacer mounted in the suspension mount)

has anyone try it ?:)

jimmy 22-01-2008 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toonz (Post 86597)
i'm going to watch the video tonight..... stupid company blocks the youtube site!

jimmy i notice that you use the peak vantage quite often. is that your favourite motor?:D how fast are they actually? like the amount of rpm?

Yeah I've been running them for years, quick and long-lasting so I don't have to be doing any of that pesky maintenance stuff during a race day and can just take photos instead. I've got a 10x4, 11x1, 12x1 and 14x2.
Can't tell you how quick they are really compared to something else - I've no idea, I just like them. :)

jimmy 22-01-2008 10:22 AM

Bender, I didn't really notice the rear of my car sitting that high to be honest - I've got the collars unwound all the way - much like I do on my 501X I guess. Using siver AE springs the rear is pretty much where I want it. I get a LOT of droop but no problem I guess unless you're using the CVD's. To be honest the shocks are straight off my 501X with absolutely no changes - I just wanted to put on shocks I knew worked but I didn't really consider the tower might be slightly lower.:wtf:

Toonz 22-01-2008 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 86632)
Yeah I've been running them for years, quick and long-lasting so I don't have to be doing any of that pesky maintenance stuff during a race day and can just take photos instead. I've got a 10x4, 11x1, 12x1 and 14x2.
Can't tell you how quick they are really compared to something else - I've no idea, I just like them. :)

maybe i should look into this brand...:) where can i find them?
does it have 19 and 23turns?
how long do the brushes last? do i have to change brushes for every 5-10 runs? i've to change brushes on those tamiya bz quite often and i hate it....:eh?:

Eddie168 22-01-2008 10:32 AM

Hi everyone just wondering i broke one of the suspension ball on my durga, still looking for some parts and just wondering will the metal one that comes with the TRF501X will fit on my durga? and where i can get them? THX

jimmy 22-01-2008 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toonz (Post 86639)
maybe i should look into this brand...:) where can i find them?
does it have 19 and 23turns?
how long do the brushes last? do i have to change brushes for every 5-10 runs? i've to change brushes on those tamiya bz quite often and i hate it....:eh?:

Not sure about 23, but I have a 19 spec motor also. Not 100% sure they are still making the 19 turn in this style 'revolution' motor any longer? but I used it plenty of times, and raced at Nationals with it. It loses out a little on the straight as you'd imagine but everywhere else it's smooth and powerful. I usually did a few meetings before even looking at it - but im lazy:)

drinternat 22-01-2008 10:53 AM

Is the Radio Control Car Action mag only available in the states. Ive never seen it here?

jimmy 22-01-2008 10:57 AM

It's imported by comag I think and you can get it in some WHSmiths and other news agents. To be already in print they must have reviewed it long before I did? :eh?:

sosidge 22-01-2008 11:35 AM

I do have a little something up my sleeve to resolve the travel issues with 501X shocks... and a little bit more besides... needs to be tested first though...

peetbee 22-01-2008 11:44 AM

I've bought it in WHSmiths a few times, but the March edition already?!! The Feb edition has only just hit the shelves over here.
At least your review was available first though Jimmy.

gargadud 22-01-2008 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eddie168 (Post 86640)
Hi everyone just wondering i broke one of the suspension ball on my durga, still looking for some parts and just wondering will the metal one that comes with the TRF501X will fit on my durga? and where i can get them? THX

Yes they fit even so they are slightly longer then the plastic one! I had the same doubt a while ago and jimmy's advice was helpful!

Bought it from Tamiyashop in Switzerland.

wayneski 22-01-2008 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gargadud (Post 86678)
Yes they fit even so they are slightly longer then the plastic one! I had the same doubt a while ago and jimmy's advice was helpful!

Bought it from Tamiyashop in Switzerland.

Are talking about the little ball that sits on the end of the hinge pin that goes into a plastic block which is screwed to the main chassis?
If so are the 501x ones metal? How about the little block?
I heard that yeaah racing(?) may be bringing some metal versions of these out but can't find any.
I've popped the front one a couple times now (when I've been stupid) so looking to upgrade
Sorry if I've hijacked


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