Thanks Richard

CHASSIS AND COMPONENTS

1. Cars to be standard 1/12th scale Mardave V12 chassis and suspension.

No composite chassis allowed.. . PMSL :wub

2. Ball races allowed on Front & Rear axle. Rear axle and spur gear either
32dp or 48dp . Diffs are allowed.

Erm grp is a composite!

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Yep the car of gazza's I drove was great. It was much punchier and quicker than my own 13.5 1s car, not sure what speedo / motor combo it was but it flew.

The car was definitely better than my own in the corners. However there was an issue going into the fast hairpin where it would almost handbrake it's way round the bend either due to the chassis sides catching the floor under heavy load or the speedo neutral brakes being set too high. (Gazza later fitted harder rear springs to control the excessive lateral movement however I didn't drive it after this).

Most importantly though I am yet to drive the Mardave grp or carbon car so cannot comment as to which one I think is best or which is faster.

I do commend anyone who has a passion and works to make something new but there is such a thing as right place right timing with everything.
So in short we all love daves and we should just all remember that and get as many guys trackside as possible and sort the problems out after if there is any.
Just my view guys.

Paul,thank you for your posts, they are most informative. Just a couple of points...

12th have had the same design for over 25 years - including a carbon chassis. The materials might have changed a bit in some parts (Ti rods, etc.) but otherwise the carbon 12L from 1987 on my shelf is the same as the 2012 RC12R5.1 I will be running. So, just what is the problem with a class that doesn't change?

Based on the attitude and approach in your posts, I know now which kit to buy if I want to race this class. Thanks for the information.

Glad to be of help:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumb sup:
:D

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So, what chassis won today?

1st - new mardave carbon chassis
2nd - mardave ce chassis
3rd - mardave alloy chassis

Wrong karl 2nd place went to james with a copy of our wings on it you seem to have forgot that mate!!!!!!!:D

You win Karl? You got a mardave chassis?

That was on his other car Paul. He ran the standard ce chassis after the 1st quali. However I tried the LB racing under tray which is a similar concept to the p2 in practice and it produced significantly more rear downforce. The only problem was it scuffing on the ground. But this will be sorted :thumbsup:

Yeah I was running the new carbon chassis. Much stiffer than the fibreglass one. The car is much more predictable and changes direction quicker. The carbon chassis is definitely the way to go.

I'm waiting for one from Chris. I ran the fibre glass one on Friday. Had loads of steering. Just a bit lazy in a fast chicane. Need the cf one.

Yes was a good day even tho I was down on power and still not sure why my car was so slow i cant put my finger on it it started off ok and as the day went on it got slower and slower an for the life of me I have no Idea why :thumbdown:

I was upset as it was flying the last two meetings and today I could not keep up with James no matter what I did the chassis was superb cant fault it . . .so its down to 3 things now

1 Motor
2 ESC
3 Lipo
Some testing on tuesday me thinks I have to find out whay other wise Tamwoth is out for me :(

But dont go carbon go GRP. . which ever chassis you go fo Carbon is way to much for what it is and wont last long with some Dave drivers :thumbsup:
Also there was no differance in the Carbon chassis as it was still on pace with James's Mardave Ce GRP standard one save ya money go GRP

Yes you all seem to know what the wings do know :thumbsup:
I can bet there will be a few more poping up soon even Karl likes the idea as it sucks the car down

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Yes its a shame mine was down on power I was so gutted other wise would have been good fun . . but hey thats racing

Also on a good note . . .

Two Phone calls this morning with people wanting to make our Wing Chassis . . . :thumbsup:

well Ill keep you all posted :lol:

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GRP has far too much flex.

the carbon one was 4/10ths of a second faster per lap :confused:



But yeah the LB racing undertray (wings) did yield more downforce.

BANNED in some classes.
Maybe needs nipping in the bud before it get's out of hand.

Stockcar Racing Rules
20) Body and chassis must be securely joined at all times the car is on the track. No wings or aerofoils or any under body aids are allowed

Saloon Stox
14) No unrealistic wings, aerofoils, spoiler or under body aids unless in the original car design or molding

1:10th Electric Circuit
6.4 Under body/chassis aerodynamic aids of any nature are not allowed. Only motor guards are allowed. Smooth lexan undertrays may be fitted to waterproof the cars.

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I thank you

and them class's are

Can I just say on behalf of LB Racing, we had a great day at Ardent armed with a couple of new ideas to test, we do not produce any chassis, winged or not, or wish to get involved with this chassis argument.

We have produced an undertray to compliment the performance of a new product that we have developed, there is no connection between this and any make of chassis that is currently available.

One thing we did note, and are not too happy about, is that the new chassis are giving the mardave a shorter wheelbase than the standard original chassis. This concerns us as we are manufacturing bodyshells to the original wheelbase, and to find after hours of fine detailing that they do not fit the new chassis, perhaps someone can explain?:confused:

Probably more to do with corner speed than straight line speed, if straight line speed was the same, maybe the P2 was just scrubbing off more speed in the corners ??

The wheelbase is adjustable on the new chassis, but the longer std setting should be the same as the std chassis I think ?

Could be Karl I was so gutted on how slow it was compaired to the last two meetings James and myself did I was looking forward to giving you a run . . . . but im at Ardent tuesday ill have a play and check things over see if any thing rears up good racing tho . . .

@LB racing dont worry about the under tray mate its been around for ages and testing is all good fun :thumbsup:
Never noticed the Dave wheel base's shrinking wonder why that is :o

Adjustable wheelbase on a Mardave, whatever next! :o

Dont know Richard like I have said earlyer it was just slow compaired to last 2 meetings but will see 2 moz whats going on .:o

I did check the chassis tho and no rubbing . . . oh well back to some testing 2moz:thumbsup:

Know black marks on any of the p2 chassis no scrubbing off in corners on mine Lees or Gazzas just gazza had a lack of power.

not quite what's meant by "scrubbing speed" though LOL

sorry Chris got crossed wires mate thought you meant the wings hitting the floor mate

Link overboard guys. This thread is for the Mardave carbon chassis and the people who would like to read about it.
Maybe start a p2 specific thread or blog to help racers or potential customers of the p2 rather than bolt onto the Mardave threads. Considering you seem to be disappointed with Mardave why associate with it? like I am sure the new Schumacher car will have it's own section etc so why not the p2?

Now that's a thought

i agree, but every "New Mardave" thing gets flooded with this P2 thing and kinda gets lost, theres already atleast 6 threads now about this P2 and its getting out of hand now :(

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well i know you get lonely with out me :p but naaaah i wont be needing one. got my own projects to worrie about.

Well said :thumbsup:

Well said :thumbsup:, then we can load that thread about the new Mardave Carbon Chassis :lol:

edited post - no thanks Paul, lets rise above this type of behaviour

Col