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AaronR 09-07-2011 02:14 AM

Plastic rear hubs at the Belgium GP race, Lee?

Best of luck at the Worlds in a couple weeks!

Chris 09-07-2011 10:29 AM

TRF201
 
Lee,

Some TRF201 questions:

Do you run the battery in front or rear?
Which chassis do you use? (stock or the optional)
Same question for the front arms?

Chris

Mouton 09-07-2011 01:15 PM

TRF511 optional front shock tower?
 
Hello Lee, I too must join the choir that sings your praise for giving so much advice to us less experienced! It is much appreciated!

I have a question about the TRF511, what front shock tower do you use? I have managed to write off a couple of stock towers (edges wet sanded and CA glued). I know about Tech Racing, but I have only managed to find their rear 4mm shock towers and they have discontinued all 511 parts. Fibre Lyte makes a 4 mm tower, but I would prefer something that is easier to find. Is there perhaps a Tamiya part in the pipeline?

Best of luck to you and the rest of the team in Finland!

Thanks,
Andreas

Lee Martin 11-07-2011 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronR (Post 524859)
Plastic rear hubs at the Belgium GP race, Lee?

Best of luck at the Worlds in a couple weeks!

Yeh, i have found them to be working well!!! more rear traction

Lee Martin 11-07-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 524920)
Lee,

Some TRF201 questions:

Do you run the battery in front or rear?
Which chassis do you use? (stock or the optional)
Same question for the front arms?

Chris

Batteries in the rear,
i use Optional chassis
Standard arms

Lee Martin 11-07-2011 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mouton (Post 524980)
Hello Lee, I too must join the choir that sings your praise for giving so much advice to us less experienced! It is much appreciated!

I have a question about the TRF511, what front shock tower do you use? I have managed to write off a couple of stock towers (edges wet sanded and CA glued). I know about Tech Racing, but I have only managed to find their rear 4mm shock towers and they have discontinued all 511 parts. Fibre Lyte makes a 4 mm tower, but I would prefer something that is easier to find. Is there perhaps a Tamiya part in the pipeline?

Best of luck to you and the rest of the team in Finland!

Thanks,
Andreas

i use the standard ones, and i have broken a couple of them over time. the gluing with not help to make them stronger, its basically something needed to break, so the carbon does rather than the alloy.

you can try the 4mm ones.. it will be stronger of course.

Maybe Fredrik could make something up?

Lee

mattybucks 11-07-2011 09:40 PM

Hi Lee,

Are you using any new parts on your 511 in preparation for the worlds.

Thanks

Matt

Lee Martin 11-07-2011 09:41 PM

nothing major...

but have a couple of things to try out...

one proto part which i used at the warm up, but have not used it since ;)

rich_cree 11-07-2011 10:20 PM

Hi Lee, have you had a chance to test out the new range of GHD straighteners yet or will you be sticking with the old tried and tested Gold series for the upcoming worlds?

;)

Mouton 11-07-2011 10:32 PM

Thanks for your quick reply!
 
I will keep using the stock towers untill Fredrik runs out of his stash of Tech Racing towers and is forced to make something up. :lol:

Thanks
Andreas

stefka 12-07-2011 05:37 AM

Hallo Lee !
Excellent thread- your my 201 hero !:thumbsup:

As my car is brilliant already, hereīs my only question :
What is the X (TRF 201X) thatīs always mentioned in the race reports ?:confused:
Is there such a thing ? Is it your speed secret ? Can I buy it ?:D

All the best for the Worlds !

cheers, Stefan

Fredrik Emilsson 12-07-2011 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mouton (Post 525827)
I will keep using the stock towers untill Fredrik runs out of his stash of Tech Racing towers and is forced to make something up. :lol:

Thing is that I never break anything. Never have time to drive...:lol:

Drawing a new front and rear shock tower. Will (hopefully) be stronger than original part.:)

F1END 12-07-2011 10:42 AM

I have a question for Lee.

Do you have any influence at Tamiya in actually getting some 511's out there to buy. No-one seems to ever have any in stock (even overseas) and people seem to always be asking about them. I can't afford one now, but want to buy one soon.

Whenever there is a thread about "which 4wd should I buy?", it's always Durango/B44.1/Cat, probably 'cos no-one wants to recommend a car no-one can find.

I'm sure there would be a lot more 511 drivers out there if there were more cars to drive ;)

P.S. Good luck with the Worlds

GRIFF55 12-07-2011 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich_cree (Post 525818)
Hi Lee, have you had a chance to test out the new range of GHD straighteners yet or will you be sticking with the old tried and tested Gold series for the upcoming worlds?

;)


hahaaaha, awesome!

Nige 12-07-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Martin (Post 525793)
Batteries in the rear,
i use Optional chassis
Standard arms


Hi Lee,

Just wondered why you use the standard arms on the TRF201 (part no. 51411) rather than the 'reinforced' front arms (part no. 54265)?

And what difference have you found between the standard and optional chassis?

Ta very much,
Nige

PS - as mentioned in a previous post, when you've got a spare five minutes could you please post up your Kampenhout set up on www.trfracing.com :thumbsup:

Ritchie T 12-07-2011 02:58 PM

Kidderminster national setup pleaseee

Also ive been speakin with your friend Rounde, he said you guys use kyosho o ring that have a kind of groove in them?

Chris 12-07-2011 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredrik Emilsson (Post 525932)
Thing is that I never break anything. Never have time to drive...:lol:

Drawing a new front and rear shock tower. Will (hopefully) be stronger than original part.:)

Please make them the same as the TRF502X towers. The have one hole less and make them stronger. The outside hole is never used (by most of the racers i think).

fastinfastout 12-07-2011 06:28 PM

ARMS so many arms
 
what is the difference between the following 2 arms

51449, standard 201x arms, but can be used on 511
51279, standard 501x arms

compared to the 511 high traction arms, besides being lighter and more flexible?

and why would you want to use 201x rear arms on the 511, they fit according to the 51449 description.

Jamie.T 12-07-2011 10:06 PM

Your not alone with confusion regarding arms.

As for front arms, there's high traction (54141), super soft (54283) and the 501 extra-thick arms (51275).

On the rear, you have high traction rear arms (54142), then you have the softer rear arms (51449) followed by the extra thick arms (51279)

Hope this helps.

DaveG28 12-07-2011 11:37 PM

I've tried all the arms over time and my none scientific findings have basically been for the arms Jamie mentioned:

Front
51275 = Strongest arm, but when they fail they clean break (eg end of race), and tend to bend the hinge pin with them
54141 = Crack quite easily, but on the plus side tend not to fail completely, so you finish the race! I've also never bent a hinge pin while running them (so far!)
54283 = Don't crack as often as 54141, but like the front 201 arm I have found they bend and twist, so need keeping an eye on as they knock the geometry out!

Rear
51279 = as per 51275
54142 = as per 54141
51449 = per 54283, except I haven't yet found a twisting problem with them. It's also worth noting this arm has a cut out that's required by the 201, which I don't always see on the other rear arm options, so I'd always go for 51449 for the 2wd!!

muratti 13-07-2011 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveG28 (Post 526290)
I've tried all the arms over time and my none scientific findings have basically been for the arms Jamie mentioned:

Front
51275 = Strongest arm, but when they fail they clean break (eg end of race), and tend to bend the hinge pin with them
54141 = Crack quite easily, but on the plus side tend not to fail completely, so you finish the race! I've also never bent a hinge pin while running them (so far!)
54283 = Don't crack as often as 54141, but like the front 201 arm I have found they bend and twist, so need keeping an eye on as they knock the geometry out!

Rear
51279 = as per 51275
54142 = as per 54141
51449 = per 54283, except I haven't yet found a twisting problem with them. It's also worth noting this arm has a cut out that's required by the 201, which I don't always see on the other rear arm options, so I'd always go for 51449 for the 2wd!!

I agree with you , Dave, only both you and Jamie forgot about the standard DB01 arms which are 51311 for the front and 51313 for the Rear. Have exactly the same geometry and thickness like the 501 arms but are way softer, nevertheless they tend to bend the hinge pin too just like the 501 arms BUT they cost nearly half of the 501X arms thatīs why i always use them on my 4WDs.
Dave, what cut out do the 51449 have for 2WD? Never realized that!

Fredrik Emilsson 13-07-2011 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 526107)
Please make them the same as the TRF502X towers. The have one hole less and make them stronger. The outside hole is never used (by most of the racers i think).

Just my thought. Will also make some other "adjustments".:)

DaveG28 13-07-2011 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muratti (Post 526299)
I agree with you , Dave, only both you and Jamie forgot about the standard DB01 arms which are 51311 for the front and 51313 for the Rear. Have exactly the same geometry and thickness like the 501 arms but are way softer, nevertheless they tend to bend the hinge pin too just like the 501 arms BUT they cost nearly half of the 501X arms thatīs why i always use them on my 4WDs.
Dave, what cut out do the 51449 have for 2WD? Never realized that!

There's a cutout on the inner part of the wishbone to stop it fouling the outdrive under compression! I have seen some 4wd high traction arms with them, and some without, so I just buy the 51449 now!

wildwillydriver 13-07-2011 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Martin (Post 524482)
201;

Try running the weight i advised above. also some things i have been going well with lately are:
Cutting rear arms 2mm and shortening wheelbase.
running plastic rear hubs in middle hole.
running inside hole on rear tower.
using backward ackerman position
using 25 degree caster blocks
79 spur with 24 tooth pinion

run yellow springs all round and 35 front 30 rear.
1.3 piston rear and 1.4 front.

i hope this helps.

8th - Unsure the best place to buy? maybe just direct from USA? unfortunately i cannot sell anything in europe.

:(

Lee

Hey Lee,
one more time thanks for your effort, it's precious! :thumbsup:
I know your time is short and i promise this is my last post for you.... :)

On 201 i need a couple more info:

1) Cutting rear arms 2mm and shortening wheelbase: I don't understand this copletely.... sorry but my english is not that good.....
2) Would you adivise to use the OPT chassis (high traction) on Dirt dry and low traction tracks?

Now on the 8th:
1) We will see some Set Up sheets on "your" TRF site?
2) If not, can you give some set up guide lines for Dirt dry and low traction conditon?

Thanks in advance.

Bye
WWD
:)

jayfinn8 24-12-2011 01:48 PM

New TRF511 owner
 
Very happy one at that. Already like better than my DEX410 v3.
Is anyone running big bore shocks and which one's. The rears need rebuilding so just trying to decide to rebuild or by a different set of shocks. Also what rear hub do most run 0,.5, or 1 degree. Is everyone still running pin set up in axle for wheel or can I fit 12mm hexes, what brand? Thanks....

Rich D 24-12-2011 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayfinn8 (Post 598633)
Very happy one at that. Already like better than my DEX410 v3.
Is anyone running big bore shocks and which one's. The rears need rebuilding so just trying to decide to rebuild or by a different set of shocks. Also what rear hub do most run 0,.5, or 1 degree. Is everyone still running pin set up in axle for wheel or can I fit 12mm hexes, what brand? Thanks....


Most run the std shocks albiet with the better looking HL gold cylinders. Not seen any 511 with big bores fitted personally.

Rear hubs, my settings are - zero degree on high grip dry astro, 0 or 0.5 indoors and 1.0 in the wet.

Std pin setup at the back. Std Tamiya wheels or Losi rims fit without modification.

HTH

Lee Martin 26-12-2011 12:05 AM

As rich says really.
Use pin.
No big bores, the TRF shocks work really good.aune try some different springs?

Lee

kedal 26-12-2011 11:06 AM

Lee, what are those yellow spring you use In Pau during Euro ? From another brand ? Kyosho ones ? If yes, why using these insteed of the Tamiya ones ?

Thanks :)

mattybucks 26-12-2011 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kedal (Post 598977)
Lee, what are those yellow spring you use In Pau during Euro ? From another brand ? Kyosho ones ? If yes, why using these insteed of the Tamiya ones ?

Thanks :)

They are Kyosho springs, I now use them on my 511. The tamiya springs needed to be cut down.

kedal 26-12-2011 05:38 PM

Ok, thanks. I'm happy for now with the stock spring, so, I think just play with the oil for my local track.

Aussie Top Force 03-01-2012 09:49 AM

TRF 201 - My Return to Racing
 
This is a really helpful thread! Thumbs up to Lee for offering his knowledge.:thumbsup:

I haven't raced since the mid 1990's, but a recently ordered a TRF 201 (Limited Edition) from HK, nowhere to be found in Australia I'm affraid! I'm looking forward to racing the car as is out of box and then progressively trying the modifications Lee has suggested. Most tracks I'll be running on will be hard packed clay and outdoors. Grip will be a matter of how much 'Aussie' dust there is. I'll be starting of in a Stock Class 17.5 turn Brushlesh.

A question: Lee any tips on building the TRF 201 out of the box? Should I be installing upgraded ball studs from scratch as I have been reading that the standard versions break or bend easily? Any other items to replace to make the car as bullet proof as possible?

Regards

David

Lee Martin 04-01-2012 06:11 PM

David,

The 201 is very good out of the box in terms of quality. You can look into Ceramic diff balls and also spring options.
Things to try - LMR Bulkhead for 201 - adding 35g of weight to front to make better at jumping and on bumpy tracks to keep the noise down!

The car is very strong also! you can try the 501X HD rear arms if you ever break a standard one? these are super strong!!!

Another nice touch is the Rudebits carbon battery strap! ;)

Hope this helps.

Lee

Jamesk 05-01-2012 10:00 AM

A question on the 201, i seem to have a large of amount of bump steer on a very bumpy track i race on. I can not tell if its more front or rear but it seams worse on full throttle but i have plenty of traction. An advice would be appreciated.

jK

steve-thebabystore 05-01-2012 12:50 PM

Congrats
 
Hi Lee, slightly off topic but congrats on your new arrival.

Aussie Top Force 06-01-2012 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Martin (Post 602717)
David,

The 201 is very good out of the box in terms of quality. You can look into Ceramic diff balls and also spring options.
Things to try - LMR Bulkhead for 201 - adding 35g of weight to front to make better at jumping and on bumpy tracks to keep the noise down!

The car is very strong also! you can try the 501X HD rear arms if you ever break a standard one? these are super strong!!!

Another nice touch is the Rudebits carbon battery strap! ;)

Hope this helps.

Lee

Hi Lee,

Thanks for those tips! I've been looking on the JT models and RC Domination website and cannot find the "LMR Bulkhead for 201". Are you able to help point to where I could order it from? Thanks for your time!:)

mattybucks 06-01-2012 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Top Force (Post 603396)
Hi Lee,

Thanks for those tips! I've been looking on the JT models and RC Domination website and cannot find the "LMR Bulkhead for 201". Are you able to help point to where I could order it from? Thanks for your time!:)

The bulkheads are only just out. You can order one directly from Lee http://l-m-racing.co.uk/?page_id=266

Lee Martin 07-01-2012 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamesk (Post 602965)
A question on the 201, i seem to have a large of amount of bump steer on a very bumpy track i race on. I can not tell if its more front or rear but it seams worse on full throttle but i have plenty of traction. An advice would be appreciated.

jK

How do you mean?

Bump steer is the amount of steering change the front wheel receives from suspension movements? is this what your asking?
or are you saying your car is bad on bumpy tracks?

Lee

CraigM 08-01-2012 03:18 AM

Hi Lee,

What is a good starting point for oil in front and rear gear diffs? I'll be racing on a med grip hard packed dirt track

Thanks
Craig

Aussie Top Force 10-01-2012 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattybucks (Post 603401)
The bulkheads are only just out. You can order one directly from Lee http://l-m-racing.co.uk/?page_id=266

Thanks! I'll investigate more once my TRF 201 arrives. Hopefully this week!:confused:

Jamesk 10-01-2012 08:47 AM

Lee,

The front end is very hard to keep in a straightline on bumpy tracks, ive read your reveiw in on of the rc mags and seen you raise the front sterring arm's, ill fit the spacers and see if thats the answer.
Thanks


jK


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