Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 517871)

The rules don't actually say what you think they are intending to say. I believe you are reading too much into it.

Originally Posted by racingdwarf (Post 517883)

few years ago when the RC8 first came out I think it did close to a full national season with the team drivers before the genral public could get hold of one;)

Originally Posted by adey (Post 517954)

speaking of rules, i dont think its a good idea allowing the small lipos to be used. What i mean is that lipos should be either stick or saddle and the same size regardless of maker. I am refering to the small lipo used in the tlr 22. Cars have as long as i can remember been designed around the electrics used, not designing the electrics around the cars. I dont expect many to aggree with me on this.

Originally Posted by peetbee (Post 518031)

On that basis we would never have had saddle packs. Or even worse, does anyone else remember the Tamiya 'hump' packs - we could have been stuck with that!

Originally Posted by adey (Post 518039)

i take it you do you not think there should be any control over battery size then. I didnt think many would agree with me but it makes me wonder what buggies will be like in 10 years time in terms of changing the dimensions of the battery placement.

Originally Posted by AndyG (Post 518070)

When Cragg on the Worlds, didn't he only have 5 of the 6 cells wired up? ... To reduce the punch on the loose dirt ... Or am I talking out of my arris?

Originally Posted by AndyG (Post 518070)

When Cragg on the Worlds, didn't he only have 5 of the 6 cells wired up? ... To reduce the punch on the loose dirt ... Or am I talking out of my arris?

Originally Posted by Lonestar (Post 517247)

it isn't that unfair when you think about it - the reason why these 5 or 6 guys get to run such prototypes when us mere mortals don't is that they've proven countless times that they're above the rest to start with... so, B4.1 or C4.1 they'd still whoop your rear anyway ;)

Now I'd rather have them test it fully before releasing it to the public anyway than push a lemon on the market (DNX408 anyone?)

Paul

Originally Posted by westie (Post 525814)

Any news on when this is out?
Have put my name down :thumbsup:

Originally Posted by neiloliver (Post 526186)

Pre-Ordered. Cant Wait :) :thumbsup:

You must also get the wing mounts, lipo tray, the battery strap, the brass fixing posts for the front bulkhead... and hopefully some CML C4.1 stickers (CML... if you have not done these then you have about a month to do so please :).

and a very small instruction manual?

oh, and very narrow velcro?

Originally Posted by styleone (Post 536772)

As much as I am dying for a good look at both (I have pre-ordered my C4.1 :thumbsup:) I think the rango will drop first purely due to the fact that they have been developing it for a real long time and they must be very near full production quota. CML will know that the longer they hold out for final 'ironing out' the closer Cragg may get to taking the 2wd Nationals...therefore the bigger the demand as far as the consumers desire for the C4.1. I also feel that due to the fact that the C4.1 is a collaborative project between several parties, that the final stages of design and production will take a little longer than a department in a solo company.

Either way...can not wait to see them both...but C4.1 is going to be epic I feel :wub

Originally Posted by arransmith27 (Post 539794)

The only 2wd buggies that I have raced have been rear motored.

How much differently will a mid motored car handle here in the UK?

Just looking to gather some info, as i'm keen to give the c4.1 a go (when it finally appears that is :woot:)

Originally Posted by arransmith27 (Post 539794)

The only 2wd buggies that I have raced have been rear motored.

How much differently will a mid motored car handle here in the UK?

Just looking to gather some info, as i'm keen to give the c4.1 a go (when it finally appears that is :woot:)

Originally Posted by Pownabown (Post 540325)

Ive heard that they maybe releasing the new c4.1 start of next month i believe now

Originally Posted by Aran (Post 540349)

My bet is around £145-£160 :)

Originally Posted by markwilliamson2001 (Post 540372)

£380 for a 2wd buggy? Are we joking???

Originally Posted by styleone (Post 540107)

As you may imagine, having the motor mass over or ,in front in most cases, of the rear axles gives us a number of massive benefits. The cars benefit from bags of straight line traction, they carry more speed in the corners and generally sit down and play ball a lot easier on british medium to high grip astro etc. The mid configuration negates the pendulum effect at the cars arse end and pushes all the rotational energy of the rear end across the centre of the chassis, hopefully making the cars go where you point the nose (in most cases anyway lol)

Most mid buggys also benefit from 4 gear transmissions that are set up with a neutral idler gear, this allows for the extra gear required for spinning the gear boxes around inside not to effect the out put gear ratio.

In summary, bags of grip, no crazy sloppy arse end :) and rotational mass in the centre of the chassis. If you havnt driven mid motor then get on it, as you can see by manufacturers moves in the past couple of years, its just streets ahead on high grip british surfaces. Hence a lot of buggys being released with both configurations possible out the kit box.

Let's not forget though that Lee Martin still drives MOA (motor out the arse) and he is not exactly slow :), if you find yourself ever on loose dirt then the old school format is still king (as shown in this years worlds)

The C4.1 is going to be a corker so get your pre order in hy

Originally Posted by MarcKnight (Post 540407)

Yes it is a lot but NO different to a Vega or X-Factory X-6 conversion (before they released a complete car).....and lots of people are running them.

Marc

Originally Posted by RobW (Post 540334)

Let's hope so. I'm amazed at the lack of info on this. The CML site announced it in March saying more details to follow and since then nothing, zip.

Sure it'll all be worth it and I guess CML think they don't really need to spend any time hyping it up before the launch given the results.

Starting to think the first I'll hear anymore about it is when MK e-mail me to say the kits are in and they want some money!!

Rob

Originally Posted by KRob (Post 540760)

Hi Rob,
We've not confirmed anything with pictures yet as we don't have any of the specific parts finished in production form (yet).

Although I can confirm all the parts are now going through the production process.

All the cars we've run have been subtely different and have changed along the way and there is no point putting anything up about those, other than it is work in progress.
Jimmy has covered the car in some of his race reports though so photos are out there and we've given it an article about every three weeks or so (as it wins another national) so it hasn't been forgotten on the news pages.

Hoping for about 2-3 weeks but obviously that could change.

This is the first time I've seen a project like this being run, and whilst I'm not involved in it directly I am aware of what is going on and it's really opened my eyes with regard to how it's much more time consuming it is then I ever thought it would (or even could) be!!
But trust me - it's worth waiting for.

Originally Posted by KRob (Post 540760)

This is the first time I've seen a project like this being run, and whilst I'm not involved in it directly I am aware of what is going on and it's really opened my eyes with regard to how it's much more time consuming it is then I ever thought it would (or even could) be!!