which classes DONT allow it then?

why? contact is allowed!

Factually incorrect
see my previous post after confirming with the 10th off road chairman and 10th TC chief scruteneer

see i get my facts right before i post!

yawn!

You are not that factually accurate Mr Christopher...

It is not full contact racing as written in the championship rules... there are penalties for full on take out manouveres, T boning and driving wrong way around track.

Also general rule 1.9 says reverse must be disabled...

End of discussion.

contact is allowed which was my statment! i never mentioned full contact

nice try but obviously its in the SC rules as it was added, the only electric class to ban reverse!!!!!

unfortunatly mark the rules have been made with out looking whats done in other electric classes

end of discussion for you as you carnt get out of it!:p

A crossover jump or crossover with a 'bridge'? Not a fan of them myself but don't see a problem so long as visibility of the track isn't affected and there's minimal chance of T-boning another truck.

yes Mark, you are right, you are the best and you win, i submit through boredom and risk of putting people off by squabbling like kids! :woot:

as said before i'm not that fussed about reverse when it comes down to it... their won't be many 4WD trucks running it, have driven cars with reverse plenty of times and its something that gets forgotten about until a marshal is on the car or makes the brake effort poor...

In the words of Ricky Bobby.. " i wanna go fast" it doesn't mention backwards!

Richard, I was thinking of a crossover using well profiled jumps rather than a bridge... if there is enough air then contact with trucks below should be minimised, although they are all fitted with side impact bars!

would look spectacular, but if its a massive issue with drivers then i don't want to waste time and club funds building the feature for it to be moaned about, It works in the videos i have seen and does allow creative layouts.

I think it depends on how easy it is to clear and the level of the racers. By the looks of it this series is going to attract lots of less experienced people to race, the last thing you want is people struggling to clear it in a controlled way and smashing their trucks up.

How about the style of crossover I've seen used a few times in the US, you have an up ramp and a flat section on the top, then drop off the end onto a small landing ramp? That way you get a bit of air but have the safety of being able to go over it slowly without dropping onto the lane below.

That was sort of the plan... if the up ramp/level was a fair height then it will minimise chance of impacts.

Only considering it as we are just reaching final stages of track build and its something that can be put in easily before Astroturf is layed... may take some trial and error to make it useable and look good.

might be more of a headache than its worth but would be more fun than the bridge type and we have a fair amount of SCT's plus at least 3 SCT meetings to cater for this year.

Would like to add some SCT features into the track to give something extra to the class... other idea is a wall of death! :thumbsup:

A little bit like they had at the back of the Nitro Challenge this year...




No wall of death please, they suck!!!

How about a few whoops? :thumbsup:

Something like those at 0:23 secs on that video

Is that Whula Whoops or Whoops of fire Shaun?

That track feature looks ok, will be borrowing someone elses SCT to test driving it of race control roof... if it survives then i'll get building!

Agree with walls of death, they look much more impressive then the fun given from driving them... unless its a 20ft high one... :thumbsup:

Once saw a XXT drive the full length of an indoor venue on the wall above straight... was by accident and couldn't be replicated but was awesome to see!

They never actually said that cars with reverse speedo's were banned from entering, just the USE of reverse.
I think people aren't reading the posts properly.

Its as simple as this...at drivers briefing, the organisers tell everyone that 'reverse should not be used'. If it is used then drivers will get a warning. If it is continuously use throughout the heat/day then the driver will get a penalty. Simple as that....surely? all the reverse speedos have a delay, so you can't use the excuse that it came on imediately.

Tel why ban reverse from being used when 10th elec off road BRCA and EFRA dont nor do the 10th elec TC class

i read the post correctly, but as its allowed at Nationals and EFRA why make this class the odd one out?

[QUOTE=mark christopher;488711]Tel why ban reverse from being used when 10th elec off road BRCA and EFRA dont nor do the 10th elec TC class

You are totally and utterly wrong. As previously mentioned, rule 1.9 1/10th off-road states that reverse must be disabled.

Anyone who has taken 1/10 seriously over the last few years will know that reverse is a definite no-no.

[QUOTE=TonyM;488717] [QUOTE=mark christopher;488711]Tel why ban reverse from being used when 10th elec off road BRCA and EFRA dont nor do the 10th elec TC class

i have spoke to paul worsley tonight who has told me you can use reverse.
please speak to him......as i have twice tonight

the rules do not have a 1.9 in them

http://www.brca.org/?q=content/110th-electric-road/127 rules here http://www.brca.org/sites/default/fi...off%20road.pdf

you will find that all sections use the main brca "general" rules now

myself and paul would like you to tell us where your getting rule "1.9 tenth off road from", not including the SC rules,were both unsure where you have got this rule from, and im sure Paul will not be wrong.....

Let's just ban forward and reverse power altogether and have a pit man push our cars around the track!!

only if 'my man' can run in front with a red flag!

Everyone using reverse should have a " this vehicle is reversing" speaker fitted for health and safety purposes. Mr Christophers should be read out in all available EU languages to be fair in the rules :p

Mark seriously... when have you ever seen reverse used in 1/10th onroad or offroad meetings?

it may not be a written rule as you have discovered but its been assumed for years that you don't have reverse in r/c racing... why is it now an issue?

At club level, when a kid turns up for their first meeting... the first time they get stuck in a hose and back up they get mullered by a faster car, and there are damages to either cars... seen it far too many times... plus the frustration when a marshal leaps in front of traffic to rescue a car to have it reverse and throw them into confusion whilst they are dodging traffic and getting in the line of sight for other drivers.

Have a vote on rule at first round briefing and result is decided by those that have shown up, paid and are keen for supporting series enough to turn up to race.

lol :woot:

I must say, this thread is really starting to sound like a National now lol

I've just opened the Butterkist popcorn :thumbsup:

Could always go back to our roots and run 'remote' controlled trucks. Im making sure mine has a 40m wire attached :lol:

worksop indoors

last year at the short course shoot out at coventry by myself and many others

now your saying its not a written rule when you and others have said it is come on make your mind up! i have never assumed!

why make the rule in the first place when the BRCA and EFRA dont? it worked ok at the coventry meeting last year

Hi All,
Just to let you all know I am currently speaking to the manufacturers for an answer with regards to the reversing issue.
This will be resolved as soon as possible.
The aim of this series was to introduce it properly to the uk and allow the many drivers who have asked for it to run their trucks at a series and against others! It is a FUN series however it will not be turned into a bash 'em smash 'em series, we have tried to keep the rules to a minimum to reflect this, but do not want a return to the issues of people driving the wrong way down the track.
Those of us who are organising the series may not have had as much experience as some at organising national events, this series has got this far in less than a year and is thanks to some very determined people who have put a lot of time and effort into this.
It is a new class, so please bear with us and we dont bite so please constructive comments are much appreciated, but argueing on the thread will just end up turning people away. If you have major concerns PM one of us and we will try to resolve it before it becomes such a big issue and maybe then it may not turn people away.
Frustration vented, now for a brew!!

Mark is right,at last years Dirt masters,rrci shootout and the shortcourse carnage meeting many cars were using reverse,and i didnt hear anyone complaining.

not being funny but i dont need reverse to drive the wrong way round the track, it was not a crash and bash meeting at coventry last year?

i use it sensibly to get my truck of a hose, not to do a lap!!
if somone rolls or spins thier car and is facing the wrong way, are they then expected to wait for a marshal to turn them round, no they are allowed to do a u turn which means they have had to move the wrong way round the track until thier facing the wrong way. and most dont wait for a clear track....

I've never said its a written rule, find a quote that actually states that fact?

what do you want from this bickering?

is it a case of trying to p*ss of as many people as possible?

Are you trying to cause problems for the SCT class before the first National series starts?

The class is not governed by BRCA, EFRA, FIFA or any other organisation.

The series organisers have said reverse must be disabled... its got nothing to do with any other organisation so your arguing is invalid

for a start it puts everyone in the same situation and its only you with the problem.

If you seriously cannot race without going backwards, then maybe you should go play reversing at a national touring car meeting and see what happens!

i organised Shortcourse Carnage, didn't see one truck reverse all day, if it was noticed then it would have been something to discuss when putting rules together.

This topic has only been noticed by a parent worried that their kid will be banned for having reverse if its not allowed.

I should have said something at the time,but it never caused a problem,hence most people did not notice,(and i was mashalling at all 3 meetings)

Mark,
I'm really not getting into an arguement about this, my reference to going the wrong way round the track was NOT anything to do with the 'reverse' issue, but was a comment in regards to it being turned into a bash 'em crash 'em series.
Please lets give this series a go, if you don't like the rules or the running of the series after the first round then fine, nothing gained nothing lost.
But please dont use a public forum to slate a series that is new and we as organisers will listen to comments take them on board and see if changes need to be made.

no twisty has a problem too!!!

no i just dont see the need to ban reverse when others dont!

you were the first one to start quoting brca

well it IS allowed!

the red bits, well you make your mind up if you want to qoute em or not!:p

im not slating the serries im questioning a rule and yes it is a public forum so debates will happen!

what i dont appreciate (and this is not you) folk telling me that reverse is NOT allowed in electric racing when section officials have told me it is!

Right, at the end of the day, if the organisers decide that they don't want reverse used, is it going to stop people from entering?

Well it won't stop me from entering and my SC HAS reverse on. But if I put it into a track marker and get stuck nose forward, then I'll wait for a marshal to get it, because I know how much it p***es me off when I risk my ankle to get to a car only for it to reverse away.

And, I HAVE witnesses reversing in RC before....and have been the victim of it both times as the cars reversed into me, ruining my run. This is what people are wanting to avoid.

I'm sure if I reversed into one of the people who are all for reverse then they would be the first to moan at me for ruining their run?

Hi
Im a novice who has spent alot of money and time preparing my truck and have used my 1 in 4 sundays to enable my attendance.

I thought it was supposed to be fun, I have far too much stress at work to worry that im in a series where it is almost life and death over something so small (in my eyes).

Someone please confirm I wont be walking into a tense days racing where arguments will ensue from a truck going backwards:lol:

p.s I will be the SCRT10 stuck in the side wishing my new super duper sidewinder kit had sodding reverse:thumbsup:

doesn't mention "written rules" though does it? :p

you can ask as many officials as you like, its common knowledge that they don't want or like SCT's or they would have embraced the class and got BRCA rules together 2 years ago when the class appeared, rather than burying their heads and ignoring it.

I like the fact you have opened a huge can of BRCA worms though, although i won't be testing the reverse policy at official meetings until i can qualify in the National A finals... or im sat with you directly behind me on the grid in a final :p

I see your point, being able to reverse out of hoses is a bonus as long as you don't get in anyones way or cause them to change course whilst doing it or confuse marshals... but in that sense its a driver aid and should therefore be seen as an unfair advantage so although i see the point, i'm not agreeing with it as validation to make it a big deal.

You don't seem to be reading or commenting on other valid points discussed in this debate?

lol then dont risk your ankle, let em use reverse :D, and re read post 65 i think you have miss read it :p

Why can't people accept it's a one off rule for Short Course? :confused: Forget about the rest of the series etc...

This could go on with every series out there. As I represent RRCI in this series as a contributor, as do you Mark and a few other on this thread, I will be happy no matter what rules are enforced, whether they are the same as 1/10th, 1/8th, on or off road.

The idea is to get the series up and running first and have fun doing it. For god's sake it's the first National of it's kind in the UK, can't we just enjoy ourselves and if it gets stupidly popular next year, then we would be in a position to compromise and layout some fixed rules.

But you don't always no if they have reverse if they are stationary for a few seconds! A good marshal would be halfway to the car before this time.

Can you look at a car and say straight away "oh it's ok, it has reverse" without it actually moving first?

Can you show me a rule where it says you cant cut corners and drive the wrong way round the track ???

But i have a sneaky feeling (dont quote me on this though) that its not allowed either.

well as a long term contributor i supported the first rrci meeting at coventry where reverse was allowed, there were no problems then, i have experienced a big outdoor sc meeting and dont see why the rule is needed. i can apreciate in buggies cars can be damaged by hitting others sc are enclosed wheels with bumpers and side bars, if you and tel think your going to get a clean run without somone nudging you into a hose or putting you into a spin think again!