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James 03-02-2011 04:11 PM

Not been raced anywere i dont believe but its certainly had a lot of testing at RHR and a couple of other venues i know of.

/tobys 03-02-2011 04:17 PM

How does it go round RHR?

As well as the SV?

mattb 03-02-2011 04:28 PM

i would be a bit pissed of if id just bought the sx2,but i realy like the look of the sx3.

mikeyscott 03-02-2011 04:36 PM

Look forward to seeing it at a track somewhere!

Shame they didn't run / have it ready at PetitRC.

steelie600 03-02-2011 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrislong (Post 459433)
Schumacher did the plastic ones, as the alloy ones caused so many bent screws. Plastic also with its flex will make the car feel soooo much better then the alloy did... So, plastic is the upgrade!! ;)

behave yerself Schlongy!!! My burple ally bits are blinger then Mr T's neck ornaments!!

Mines a Phil Booth SX so has all the bells and whistles and Id be reluctant to swap for a sx3 tbh, I wonder if the new shell will fit on the older car???

simoncrabb 03-02-2011 05:17 PM

Good work!

The S1 is looking a bargain... Especially as that's the only change from the Pro kit?

And with the extra flex it might be easier to drive for us less skilled drivers ;-)

(Pre-orders being taken, *cough*)

Mabuchi_Johnson_Lee 03-02-2011 05:17 PM

Just hope that they solve the belt wearing out prematurely

bigred5765 03-02-2011 05:33 PM

only changed are belts once this last year looks really nice, mike i think battery hight wont be a problem,

mikeyscott 03-02-2011 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mabuchi_Johnson_Lee (Post 459467)
Just hope that they solve the belt wearing out prematurely

Never had to change the belt in 18 months. Same as another member at our track

mes 03-02-2011 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by telboy (Post 459423)
I can see why they've kept the front the same, but if they were designing a new car, why not go with a twin belt layout rather than 3? odd.

BUT, personally I think a conversion would be a BIG seller. All the people that have just bought CAT SX2's for the new season don't now want to be going out and buying another new car. Plus all those on budgets who have bought second hand CAT's. It will appeal to lots of people if they produced a conversion kit for around £150ish.

I think they chose a three-belt design to keep the motor centred. I think it's a nice, British carbon fibre XX4 (which is a good thing!), but I wonder if they will continue to release 4WD buggies at this pace. By the time I am forty, we will have the SX8! :p
The body could use some Azarashi curves in the rear, though. The square end is a bit boring imho.

Stu 03-02-2011 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mes (Post 459488)
The body could use some Azarashi curves in the rear, though. The square end is a bit boring imho.

At least it's not cab forward.....

mw02veg 03-02-2011 07:40 PM

finally!! i dont have to keep looking dumb when ppl ask me questions about a rumour! the new car is ace very balanced and definatly an improvement on the sx2.ive run down eden park in the damp im fairly quick round there and at the end of the day was over 1/2 second a lap consistantly faster!!

racingdwarf 03-02-2011 08:02 PM

Good news everyone, it's way better, shove that old three month old sx2 in the bin and get you credit card out:lol:.

stegger 03-02-2011 08:21 PM

LMAO racingdwarf :lol::lol::lol:

mdb_75 03-02-2011 09:25 PM

Looks great! As long as it takes 25mm lipo's and there's room for the electrics (SP GT2 esc) then I'll be buying one :drool:

S1 or Carbon though.........??! :lol:

Mark Dell 03-02-2011 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jondell (Post 459426)
Probably cos they didnt think that the TRF511X would win the first 4 nationals and then the euros in 2010 !!!!

Belt configuration seems like a lot of effort just to get the motor rotating the same direction as the wheels. I'm sure there is more to it than that. Looks like a nice set up though.


When I get one you can check it out first hand. I will even let you build it for me.

niggs98 03-02-2011 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Dell (Post 459585)
When I get one you can check it out first hand. I will even let you build it for me.

just to make a change :D

racingdwarf 03-02-2011 11:38 PM

Ahh don't let him build it! not a clue what he's doing:lol:

eichkay 04-02-2011 01:10 AM

Ive got the original cat SX and it requires a serious birthday on replacing parts and bearings i'd sorta given up on running the 4wd of late due to breakdowns. Seriously considering ordering one of these babys, swap my alloy upper housings and ti parts over and be good to go..

Also noticed the plastic steering rack, still dont know why they did that, its a must upgrade as it was with the SX2, as my friend broke his the first time out.

kek23k 04-02-2011 03:27 AM

I'm not really a Schuey fan but that does look well sexy :wub:wub:wub

mk2kompressor 04-02-2011 09:32 AM

Seen it go round the track a few weeks ago, it looked much more planted :D
You can really see the difference the mid motor makes, throttle control over all bumps and jumps seemed effortless.

Good move mr Shumacher

mikeyscott 04-02-2011 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mk2kompressor (Post 459658)
Seen it go round the track a few weeks ago, it looked much more planted :D
You can really see the difference the mid motor makes, throttle control over all bumps and jumps seemed effortless.

Good move mr Shumacher

Nice, what track was that?

stegger 04-02-2011 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 459662)
Nice, what track was that?

It would have been MOTO-ARENA looking at his sig fella ;)

ray carey 04-02-2011 11:40 AM

SX 3
 
great car, have ordered mine. :lol:

mikeyscott 04-02-2011 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stegger (Post 459693)
It would have been MOTO-ARENA looking at his sig fella ;)

Bit of an assumption

stegger 04-02-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 459701)
Bit of an assumption

Yeh but it's a closed and a controlled environment, great for testing ;)

Cockerill 04-02-2011 12:53 PM

OK, I'll try get some of the questions answered....

Quote:

Originally Posted by racingdwarf (Post 459390)
So is this car a vast improvment, a must have!?? or is it a diffrent style than the sx2, as altho it looks diffrent, there is no cutting edge reinvent the wheel stuff here, as has been said...looks like an xx4/BJ4 worlds.

If schumacher are saying the sx2 is not as good as this car, why bother with the sx2, could have saved us a few quid and brought this out before, saddle packs have be arround some time.

i ask Tom this as he is one of the most honest team drivers I have met:blush:

No car, no matter what any one says, will instantly be .5sec a lap faster, unless it is radically different in more than one way, or the previous car wasn't a top of line kit. If it does I expect to see a Schumacher 1-5 at every national, the Euro's & World's! If that happens I'll eat my words. As it's pointed out, the car isn't radically different to everything else.

What I will say is that the new car is more balanced, making it easier to drive faster. Will it make me faster? Slightly, as I feel I can push it more and have more confidence, but I doubt it will put me .5 a lap in front of Lee/Ellis/Bradders/Anyone Else.

Will it make you/the majority of racers faster? Probably, as you will find it easier to drive, making less mistakes in a race. Easier to drive generally means quicker for the majority of drivers. The SX2 is still a quick car, there's no doubting that, especially on UK tracks, but I feel the SX3 will help the majority.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazhillAE (Post 459418)
So trishs rear gearbox housing wont fit the sx3 will it............

No, but I'm 90% sure that the SX3 has an option for High or Low pin :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by telboy (Post 459423)
I can see why they've kept the front the same, but if they were designing a new car, why not go with a twin belt layout rather than 3? odd.

BUT, personally I think a conversion would be a BIG seller. All the people that have just bought CAT SX2's for the new season don't now want to be going out and buying another new car. Plus all those on budgets who have bought second hand CAT's. It will appeal to lots of people if they produced a conversion kit for around £150ish.

As someone has already said, 3 belts keeps the motor in the middle. Conversion kit, I've no idea, but there's more to it than most realise, so I wouldn't expect it to be economical.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 459435)
Has it raced anywhere yet and when's it's first meeting in the hands of the team? EPR this weekend?

It's not been raced, but there has been plenty of testing. Off the top of my head: RHR, Kiddy, EPR, Stotfold & Moto Areana. The cars won't be back from the Toy Fair until next week, so maybe next weekend for a debut, or the weekend after. Personally I'll be running mine at Worksop on the 20th :thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 459438)
What's the max LIPO height in the car as well as I'm due to get some new LIPOs for my SV and was going to get saddles - prob Nosram. Have to have locating humps

I'm pretty sure it will take the maximum allowable Lipo size!! And you can already see from the pictures that the chassis has lipo-locating holes.

Anything I've missed let me know, and I'll try to answer any more questions.

Nige 04-02-2011 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cockerill (Post 459732)
Anything I've missed let me know, and I'll try to answer any more questions.

Just wondered does the SX3 make the SX2 obsolete, or do you expect some tracks to still favour the SX2? If so what type of tracks???

Mossy 04-02-2011 02:09 PM

Just to build on what Tom said, Im pretty sure we as a team will be debuting the car at Worksop on the 20th.

The car does have pin high on the rear, both front and back so yes you have the option to change as you wish.

In terms of the SX2 being obsolete, that I cant answer. The SX2 is a very quick and nimble car, but like Tom says in testing I personally have found the car more predictable and consistently quick. Time will tell I guess.

Si

mikeyscott 04-02-2011 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mossy (Post 459757)
Just to build on what Tom said, Im pretty sure we as a team will be debuting the car at Worksop on the 20th.

The car does have pin high on the rear, both front and back so yes you have the option to change as you wish.

In terms of the SX2 being obsolete, that I cant answer. The SX2 is a very quick and nimble car, but like Tom says in testing I personally have found the car more predictable and consistently quick. Time will tell I guess.

Si

What parts are common across the two platforms - shock towers, shocks, wishbones, hubs, diffs, driveshafts, shock mounts?

I assume Spring 2011 means just before the first national meeting

Cockerill 04-02-2011 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nige (Post 459748)
Just wondered does the SX3 make the SX2 obsolete, or do you expect some tracks to still favour the SX2? If so what type of tracks???

I can't imagine that I'd change between cars, I'd prefer to just stick with one, which will be the SX3 because I find it easier to drive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 459760)
What parts are common across the two platforms - shock towers, shocks, wishbones, hubs, diffs, driveshafts, shock mounts?

I assume Spring 2011 means just before the first national meeting

Spring means Spring, so March, April or May. I'm sure they'd like it out as early as possible, but that depends on suppliers meeting dates.

Parts wise, front end is identical. Rear corners are the same, gearbox tops, shock tower, shocks, diff. Centre wise the, gears, pulleys, spur, slipper pads I imagine and maybe a few other bits.

moth898 04-02-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cockerill (Post 459794)
I can't imagine that I'd change between cars, I'd prefer to just stick with one, which will be the SX3 because I find it easier to drive.



Spring means Spring, so March, April or May. I'm sure they'd like it out as early as possible, but that depends on suppliers meeting dates.

Parts wise, front end is identical. Rear corners are the same, gearbox tops, shock tower, shocks, diff. Centre wise the, gears, pulleys, spur, slipper pads I imagine and maybe a few other bits.

From what you are saying Tom, about 75% of the parts are the same, is that correct? If so, it's acceptable, to have to flush all my spare parts would be a bad thing.

racingdwarf 04-02-2011 05:02 PM

Hope they hold on to it until it's right, unlike the cougar.:lol:

neiloliver 04-02-2011 05:32 PM

This does look very nice :)

Does anyone know if the new wing mounts fit directly onto the Cougar?

johnboy 04-02-2011 05:53 PM

It would be interesting to know what the final specs are because for the price of the car it would be nice to know that we would'nt have to spend much in the way of extra's for the car.
I like Schumacher cars but both the cat sx and cougar that ive raced required me to buy quite a few upgrades which made the cars pricey. I'm not being negative towards the new car i think it looks ace but i do hope it is a pro kit ie ti turnbuckles the alloy steering bellcranks ( ive heard the plastic ones break very easy) and all the other parts that make the car strong .
If you compare the price with the b44.1 it's very similar price and as far as i'm aware the b44.1 has all the right parts in the box.

stegger 04-02-2011 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neiloliver (Post 459821)
This does look very nice :)

Does anyone know if the new wing mounts fit directly onto the Cougar?

Yes they will mate. :) U3298 which are the wing mounts for the SXII and the cougar SV are the same and as cockers said earlier the SXII and SX3 rear shock mount is the same, so the new wing mounts will fit. :thumbsup:

mw02veg 04-02-2011 07:21 PM

double post

mw02veg 04-02-2011 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cockerill (Post 459732)
OK, I'll try get some of the questions answered....



No car, no matter what any one says, will instantly be .5sec a lap faster, unless it is radically different in more than one way, or the previous car wasn't a top of line kit. If it does I expect to see a Schumacher 1-5 at every national, the Euro's & World's! If that happens I'll eat my words. As it's pointed out, the car isn't radically different to everything else.

What I will say is that the new car is more balanced, making it easier to drive faster. Will it make me faster? Slightly, as I feel I can push it more and have more confidence, but I doubt it will put me .5 a lap in front of Lee/Ellis/Bradders/Anyone Else.




.

whoa tom easy now. im just pulling from my personal experience with the car. if u wanna look for yourself phil has the report in an email. personaly i do believe a car make a big difference and for that day it definatly did. so can the new car make you faster i think so :thumbsup:

MattW 04-02-2011 08:14 PM

Do I need to come back and ref between you pair :p:D;)

Rebelrc 04-02-2011 10:15 PM

EDIT
Sorry me just being an idiot again!


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