the narrower tub stile one. yeah i heard about that Northy.

ooo....whens this comin out??

piccys? :D

Yeah what new chassis?? I'd like to know about that one :o

We have the transmission and a new rear tower etc as stated earlier.

u mean u havent been told,

Seemingly nor have I, I think this is a red herring G!

I actually think some compaines are probably "scared" to have a go at making 2wd cars. I mean if you look at it, basically AE have the market sewn up, as long as their quality doesn't take a massive down turn then they are basically laughing.

So to "break" this dominance is going to take a serious effort, and i'm not sure how much time people are going to put into that.

Also, if you look at 4wd, there are not so many new parts for some compaines to make. Strange idea, but think about it. If thesaid company makes touring cars, then a lot of transmission bits can be carried over.

Also, it's accepted that double deck carbon cars are fine for 4wd - where as 2wd it has alwasy been considdered that you need a mould a tub. I don't think the market is quite in a place where "many" companies have the confidence (see above) to make a new chassis mould. I know there are exeptions, but generally speaking i think this makes it easier for companies to get into 4wd.

Hmmm, new chassis? Dan, this smells more like bullpoo than fish.

I wonder.... could it be that AE believe they have peaked with the B4 design? and that Losi know that and have basically given up trying to beat it. Maybe what we'll see is some great innovations from braver companies (X-Factory/Atomic) and little will change from those who don't want to innovate and gamble. Who knows, it may be soon when the big brands realise mid-motor is better and then push the boat out trying to make up on lost time ;)

i think dan and chris know a lot more than there letting on

The stronger they deny, the more there must be in it! :p

like a double bluff lol

lol there no new chassis from x-factory at all,that is a red Herring,
supposed to be take light heartedly, like about 90% OF THIS PAGE

But you can buy the x6 knowing that it will be upto date with the latest available parts currently out there,and a bloody good buy it is to

Who won the 2wd Championship this year.........................???

An how did that team do at the last national? I dont think its quite the end yet.

Danny

if mid mounted is better, they why dont i see that format winning everything? or am i not looking!
some one needs to send the conversion to rrci for review!

A B4 with HB shocks on it??? :eh?:

People keep saying associated wont change a car thats still wining. They have recently replaced the rc10 gt with the rc10 gt2. Dispite the fact that the origional gt was still wining US nationals and infact it had won every US national since it was released! It was a very old desigin much older than the B4 but they still changed a car that was still dominating.

because no 'big' company (big as in associated.. losi.. etc) want to try a big change in design.

Hopefully they will click on after efforts from smaller companys shows what the mid motor design can do (like ellis has prooved this year showing great performances all round).

My average results in 2wd have been far better since changing to the X-6, and I have had my best result ever this year in 2wd. Also same since changing to the X-5 in 4wd but that has been nearly 3 years ago now for me.... so personally, speaking from experience (and honestly without any 'team driver' bias) I really can't justify changing to any of the more popular cars, it'd be foolish considering how much better my results have been since driving X-factory.

Chris

ditto:D

we too have had are best ever results after changing to x-factory, so no complaints here,

Mr Doughtyuk.net :)

You are quite aware about which championship im talking about BRCA.......... for those of you who dont. And to be fair Truhe did a pretty awesome job considering he didnt have that much support. I mean name another losi driver that was at the meeting (worlds) let alone a direct sponsored driver.

In my honest opinion i have tried all of the cars available and i do prefer the Losi, im assuming that it suits my driving style. The B4 was good especially at southport but i did a race with each and i was about 8 seconds quicker with my losi. I've driver an x6 and it felt ok, but it just wasnt my cup of tea. Never driver an S2 but i would imagin i would still prefer my losi. I mean i managed to win the first Schumacher Indoor meeting with it so it cant be that bad.

I know where ill be sticking.

Danny

To the Bar then? :D

You tell them danny:D:D:D

I Sorta think Losi is a bit silly as they have the team to win the worlds and they have the car to win the worlds so if they put some effort in and won the worlds imagine the amount of cars they would have sold. but they aint doing anything there just sitting there consentratin on other stuff they need to forward paln to if they have great success with both 1/10th and 8th they will make lots of money which horrizon seems to like. They would have sent bloomers, tricky and danny would have had an ace result and yea truhe did do an ace job for a lone losi driver.

A

Im not sure how much itd cost to send a team to the worlds, but if it won, I dont think it would sell tons more kits, I wonder if theyd even sell enough due to the win to cover the costs of sending the team there

exactly!

there were quite a few drivers at the worlds that had completely free choice of 2WD car, some had factory 4WD rides and no 2WD, some were 'local' japanease drivers.

most ended up running a B4, Travis (who's paint job is on the box of the XXX-CR) had all 3 cars built and ready to run and ended up taking the B4 into the main.

for the record, I don't think there are any 'bad' competition level 2WD cars out there, some suit certain driving styles. I think the B4 is the most balanced car no matter what surface it runs on. minimal setup changes needed between tracks.

all of the innovative cars interest me, I think they're the way forward really, taking leaps and bounds into advancing, it's a risk that most larger companies won't take, since moulds, marketing etc cost a lot of money. So the smaller companies like Team Xtreme, Atomic Carbon, JConcepts, Aero etc are making some really interesting cars imo.

edit: obviously an inexperienced opinion to most, but I think a lot of the current cars from an engineering point of view are following an imperfect template, more weight than is needed, more spread out weight, etc etc.