it'll be a bugger getting off the rotrum and changing tyres/batteries, not to mention putting cells on charge while you drive!!! :D :D



for the teams we definitely need a system for evening them out, ie 5 man team, one from each license grade etc. And no, Nick G can't enter as an F5 unless he is in my team!!!

Or a total of 15 points minimum per team, F1=1pt, F2=2 points etc so you could have a team of 3 F3's.

im up for it!

who wants to sponser it..

ill talk with a few peeps after worlds. u lot get ideas together

I get quite frustraited with the idea of 'balancing' teams...

it stops the big teams from all playing together and 'dumbs down' the competetion.

back in the day when Schumacher entered their factory team at the 24 hour race it was a specticle to watch and you guaged yourself with how far behind you were and IF you might be able to beat them.

they didn't have to have Jonny F5 in their team to even the score.

yeh i dnt liek tht idea either...also with 1 car anything can go wrong.

plus its for fun. do it with your mates and see how u do!

No i like the idea of having one of each license grade in a team as it then means its more competative and also people will learn more from it. As then the f3's f4's f5's will get to spend time with the f1's f2's and they can get advice and help. also wouldnt it be ace to have the top driver in each team to run the last stint and try and then it should be an ace dash to the finish. And it will make it alot more fun as if you have a team full of f1's against a team with like f4's f5's it isnt fun at all.

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you can argue both sides of it. i agree a team of Lee, Truman, Goodhall, Bloomer and you would be ace to watch, but it would get a bit tedious for the other teams being lapped for the 43rd time. Also where is the challenge for the F1's?
In the interest of the masses enjoying it, if you have a balanced team then there is more challenge for the top drivers as they aren't guaranteed a win, it would also give some of the lower drivers better "contact" with an F1 in their team to advise them of lines, set up etc.

Just a thought to make it more competitive and enjoyable for the majority of people.

I'll still race either way as they are such a good laugh.


edit - ash got there first!

Ash, would you prefer it if all F1 drivers could only use one hand to race, F2's have to close one eye.

F3's have to sit down and F4's and F5's can run as they wish...

that should make it a bit more competitive for the national series :wtf:

so much can happen in an enduro race...

do you think they say to Audi that they have to have a novice in their team?


I can see your side of the argument, but its not like none of the F1's would not help anyone that asked???

Or f1's have to run macabushi 540 motor's f2's are aloud to run stock 27t motors f3's are only aloud to use 19t motors and f4's f5's are aloud to use modified motors. lol:D Only kidding.

I just think it would be more fun.

And chris wouldnt you find it more fun to be racing lee and bloomers etc forthe last 5 minutes with a mad dash to the finish trying to make up a lap or two.

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trust me Ask, no driver on earth would be able to make up the differance after 6 hours of racing.

its hard enough to make up 2 seconds on someone of the same level as regular A'ers

Dont think you can really pick the teams and grade them. I agree with Pidge and Chris, always better to race on the same team as your mates. Why not work out some form of handicap, like based on the sum of your license grades added together it effects how many laps you start behind other teams e.g a team of 4 F1s for example could start say 80 laps behind a team of F3s and F4s? just a thought?

I know it would be very hard if not impossible but it still would be ace to see all the f1's head to head really tired cars pushed to the limit.

Also having diffrent abilitys would bring it closer at the end.

And also trying to time it right so you get the right people on at the right time as if one team put someone like me on then another team put you on that team would gain alot of laps but then it would be evened out just trying to work it right so you could gain a lpa here and there etc.

I can totally see your side of the argument chris but personally i think it would make it mroe fun and closer if we had diffrent ability drivers in each team.

A:o

This is getting a bit mad

well the F1's challenge would be from other F1's surely!!!

like a national endurance meeting!

the way I see it is that it is a big race, let the big players put in factory teams etc...

if a group of F3's and F4's want to race, they should set theirselves a goal, people do that at nationals, some drivers feel happy if they made the D, same kind of thing should apply.

why take away the opertunity for manufactureres to 'fairly' win a big race ?

I like mossys idea that would be ace.

F1's have to drive standing on the rostrum while being sprayed with a fire hose.:D

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Freak

that's a pretty good solution actually. i'd prefer to race with my mates, no question. i just thought it would make things more fun for everyone if they aren't too far off the pace.

ash endurance races are not like racing at nationals, where for 5 mins your 110% on the bubble , its all about getting it round cleanly therefor your probably racing at about 80% to keep it going consistant and smooth ...

some F4/5's would put in quicker times with the 27t Ash instead of a Mod!! :D

Ash, I think you are making this a bit of a witch hunt against F1's

with your idea for 'balancing' teams, it NEVER works out, there will be one of the manufactureres some how able to put together a team of ACE's that 'fit' the grade rating and pretty much guarentee victory.

quick example, Jon Hazelwood could be on the AE team, he is an F5 but at a CML Raceway meeting he only just missed the A against a lot of National F1'ers

there are so many people in the woodwork that could come out and seriously unbalance teams.

it always happens, Mark Stanly, F5 A-finalist, Nathan Ralls, he was an abnormally quick F5'er recently. Nick G, F5'er

Im not gonig to even carry on arguing about it thats my opinion. If i carry on ill just get called a freak again.:mad:

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The more you try to even the competition the more bias'd it becomes. If you limit each team to have to have a driver from each F catagory the top teams will just have drivers who are exceptionally fast but might not have raced nationals recently. So the quick teams will still have the quick drivers and the lower teams will have even less from the pot to chose from so they will probably end up being slower.

sorry ash, I didn't think we were arguing.

I was just stating the reasons why 'balancing' teams does not work, its best just to leave driver teams 'open' just like any other competition.

exactly!

its just not possible to effectively 'balance' teams.

the idea and the spirit of the event is to get a bunch of your race buddies together and see how well you can do.

Mixing up abilities artificially doesn't work out as you might think. From experience running enduros at my club with teams put together based on ability to even things out generally ends up with the fastest drivers doing the most laps and the slowest drivers thrown on every so often to give them a go only when the fast drivers need a break. After all if you had Neil Cragg in your team and you wanted to win you would keep him driving as long as you could get away with.

If the F1s want to race let them, I'm sure there would be several works teams running and would add to the prestige of the event. Just get a team together with a few mates and enjoy the racing, there's bound to be another team with a similar pace to run against.

what if peopel cant find drivers from each grade!!!

if its meant to be fun. let it be fun...let people do as they wish. its the only way.

peopel have to remeber it needs to be fun for F1's too. were not some super human. we like to have a laugh aswell! more so even at times...everyone that knows me will kno i joke more than most, and thats why i love racing! but if too many rules start coming into play. call us touring cars!

i know thats off topic. but you get the idea!

Yes and Yes to Pidge and Terry!

I think just let people be in whatever team they want, it would make seriously good racing if you had say 5 really strong teams, and 5 good mixed teams - you don't have to be concerned with winning the overall meeting but just gauging yourselves against other teams on similar levels etc.

Think how much better you'll be able to drive too after racing the same track on and off for 6 hours - it will only do wonders for your driving :cool:

Im not arguing with you either chris your alright and i do agree with you people like stan nick G are really fast f5's and that does bring a major problem.

Where you at silverstone yesterday chris i saw your dad but not sure if you where about somewhere.

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Its a fun even so just go and have some fun! Where would the fun be for the f1's if they are so throttled down to try and slow them down that they have to drive at 110% to keep up with the middle men ?

Racing handicaps isnt particularily fun, it may level the fleet but it removes the enjoyment and takes away from the spirit of racing; 'the fastest man wins'. Surely if somebodys better than somebody else they deserve to do better on the track rather than being penalised for being good?

It would be fun to have possibly more than ten people racing at once have 20 people on at once that would be fun as keeping it clean would be more difficult and it would allow for more people to race

Possibly we could get onto one of the top uk distributors to try and put some prizes forwards for the winners. And possibly donate some of the takings to charity.

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I agree with that Ash, I think could fit maybe 12 people on the bus at CML raceway...

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/cmlra...es/cml031.html

20 people on a 25 sec lap..........

its hard enough having 14 on a 40 sec lap in 8th!

how tanned am i!!

12 couldbe done........

yesterday butch and ian hancock came over after the 8th nat and run a 12th truggy around and they want to set up a series with them! 10 min finals etc!!!

that would be cool to

I think it would be good to have as many as sensible, each 'slot' is an extra 'team' so having 2 extra cars on track would allow an extra 12 (6 per team) possibly to come and play.

I don't think you need to cap the min or max numbers for teams either.

Yea 20 is a bit much 12 is about right and yea it would be nice to not limit the amount of people in a team it would be cool to see if someone could do the whole 6 hours i would give it a shot aslong as i had a good pit team.

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I think you would go blind trying to race for 6 hours :D It certainly would do your consistency a lot of good.

Simple handicap system would be that the lower your grade the earlier you have to start drinking or the more you have to drink during the race to avoid a penalty. :)
Fun for everyone by the end of the race.