I do like the idea of that, but it does seem like you could get your F1 grade by just going to one meeting and having an abnormally good day.

What if the meeting were heald at a "Local Hero" style of track... you could end up with the people who have worked really hard to come 15th to 20th in the Nationals locked out of the F1 contention.

Definately plus's and minus's to that idea.:wtf:

That sounds good, I also like the idea of the *

You could concievably get more than 20 F1's. If the top 15 in 2WD has different drivers than in 4WD, and the top 5 in each class at the F2's is different.

That's not to bash the idea, coz I thinks it a good one. :)

I think the one adjustment that might get discussed at the AGM is to change your numbers to include a percentages. So it's might say, F1's to the top 15 people doing 4 of more events, and if the number of people completing 4 or more falls below a set figure then the "15" becomes a percentage, say 20%.

It just means the rule wouldn't need changing if the National became less attended anytime in the future.

It's a good rule Pidge, but personally I don't agree with the part about the top five finishers at the EOS finals gaining a new license. I think an F1 should be achieved through hard work throughout the 6 round national series... someone who does not do any nats but then comes along to the BRC finals for example, happens to come say 3rd, they gain an F1 without even attending a national through the year? Doesn't seem fair to me... not when the guy who has come 16th in the nat series misses out after some really good results through the national season... and if he is an F1 previously, doesn't get to bump up through the BRC ch'ship... or is F2, can go, but has a shocking day. That part of the rule needs a rethink I think... a license grade should not be achieved off your performance at a one-off event.

Plus surely being crowned "British Regional Champion" or "F3/4/5 National Champion" means enough for people to have an incentive at EOS finals and gives meaning to the event anyway.

Just my view... good attempt at a proposal though, just needs a tweak I believe.

Tom Y.

That's a good point raised by Yardy (nice avatar by the way ;) )

I think the proposal is on the right track though. Anyone else have any thoughts on refinements??

right ok...so maybe have to scrap that idea. i just thought this would lift the amount of peopel doing end of seasons.....

mayeb the F3 one could stand???

even im gettting confused

what about the top 3 at the EOS get an F 1.5 just means your ranked as a possible F1 grade the following year, and the same for the top 3 at the F3,4,5s as f.2.5 f3.5 and f 4.5

way to complex

I thought the same thing as Yardy.
But why not do it like it is now with a percentage say the top 15% get F1 then the next 20% get F2? :confused:

you could do percentages.................

better having a round number of F1's like 15-20. then percentages the rest of the way dwn....

Wasn't that what used to happen Lee?

why just means there f2s with f.15 next to her name so f2s can see how they rank against next years winners dosnt change the f1 % or make the f1s just gives them somthing for makeing the top3 like YOU said

I prefer the idea of fixed numbers.

it reduces the uncertanty. you could be in or out of F1 status just by the fact if people don't turn up to the last race and less people have 4-to-count.

with it being a smaller number, aiming for top 15 in the champ you can gauge how well you are doing for this?

(I know the same thing kind of happens all ready but) imagine being 15th going to the last round, finishing 15th and as the percentages work out only 'top 12%' works out to only 14th.... gutted :wtf:

round number for F1...........percentage to F2

Back down welshy!!!!!!

hahahah

im changing mind on end of season things due to toms idea,

Ye but no more gutted than say Gaz this year when he missed out by one place!
Theres always going to be one person who just looses out :(

I can see the point here but think %'s are the way to go rather than fixed numbers. I also think if you are to put a rule in like this you need to think about the whole license grade and the effects on other people through F2 and unless you want to end up with a HUGE amount of F2's from nationals it effects what people will become F3's as well.

For me this year I really wanted to get top 25 (and a trophy) for some reason in my mind that seems a good number, I don't feel it needs to be as eliteist as you guys when the other license grades will be split between so many drivers.

I know what your sayin Dan I always look to try & make the top 25 maybe thats the way to go as we already do pots for the top 25!

group hug tomorrow lads!!! :D

my vote goes to top 10 or maybe 15 for F1, so when you see an F1 at a club meeting or even a regional, you think 'jesus, he must be good'.

Top 40ish isn't exclusive enough in my opinion.

[quote=Kopite;59052]group hug tomorrow lads!!! :D


Not if you drive like last weekend :D

Leave as is but top 10 from 2wd & 4wd nat become F1+

My two penny's worth....

Surely if you make all the groups too elite'est, then there is a fear of driving people out of the hobby?

I think there is no harm at the moment in rewarding the best drivers in the UK, but currently there is no real structure to also award the best club, regional drivers.. Apart from a title.... Bring back Chiltern Cup Challenge I say :)

I agree that it's a good idea to have less F1's (maybe 20 or so) but overall what difference does it REALLY make?

I know it makes you personally feel a bit better about yourself to be able to say you're in the top 20 or top 10 in the UK, but to me it doesn't really affect anything racing wise??

I think the main reason behind any rule changes to formula's etc needs to concentrate on the fact that people aren't really attending regionals at the moment (i know some regions are well attended but on the hole they're down in numbers).

It's great having an over-subscribed national series, but as PaulW once told me we're almost becoming "too good" at the hobby and it's getting harder for new people to get into the sport at grass roots level hence (and no dis-respect to anyone intended) you get such a vast difference in ability at UK Nationals.

Heat 1 to me should be ideally minimum F4's if not F3's so that overall the standard at a National would be higher.

I know the likes of Mr Stanley etc wouldn't have been able to race this year, but like i've done in 2007 it wouldn't really hurt to just do a year of racing at regionals to get your F status up to the required level to "proove" you're good enough to compete at what should be the highest level?

I think overall this is the downfall of 1/10th off road as people only seem to really want to race at Nats regardless of if they're (imo) actually good enough??

Hope that makes sense, i'm just thinking as i type really :D

1/8th and other classes seem to get really good following at all types of events, not only nationals so we need to look at why this isn't happening in 1/10 off road?

i like the idea of 20 or 25 F1's, i think what we have is to many.

I agree with Nick on this one, I think that more people ought to do regionals before they move on to Nationals, to prove they are good enough. I believe the organisation at regional level at some tracks is not quite up to the superb organisation at BRCA Nats, which can put some people off.

Having said that, almost all mid-west clubs are excellent, but that cant be said of some clubs I have been to. I also like the idea of limiting the top 20-25 of drivers at Nat's to be F1, and that a percentage of remaining drivers are F2, then F3 etc etc. Personally, I wouldnt mind being an F3 rather than F2, if it meant that F2 was more elite, but the key thing is to get more people into the hobby at regional level.

M.

my opinion is top 25 F1's, then a larger percentage of F2's and F3's

F1 is getting increasing easy to get.

For example i managed to get a 'D' final score to count towards my F1 in 2006 with 'C' finals making up the rest. Shouldn't be right that those kind of scores make you amongst the F1 drivers.

It needs to be changed but not the extent that it becomes impossible to achieve so i think 25 is a better figure.

As an addition to this regarding lack of numbers at Regional events, I am sure PW has attendance figures for all the regions. I know that some regions only get maybe 12 people turning up for their regional events which makes a mockery of the F grades.

If you reduced the number of regions putting regionals on, lets say only 3 regions in the country, North, Midlands and South, you would get well attended race weekends which may effectively become National B events and call our Nationals, National A events.

This is what happens in British Club Rallying, you have National A events where drivers who are good enough, compete and National B events where good clubmen compete.

Also if you reduced the numbers of Regions, you would hope that the best run clubs would get to run the Regionals, like Southport, York and Bury for example in the North.

This may lead to drivers who qualify as F1, 2 and 3 to run National A and F3, 4 and 5 to run National B.

On the downside it would mean more travel for a lot of people but if the regionals were attracting 70 - 80 - 100 people they may see it as a worthwhile test of their skill before they move on to National A events.

Just an idea, needs more work, probably bollox:D

Sounds like a great idea to me. With the N/W having a low turnout and a few N/W drivers racing N/E, (and vice versa?) why not just merge the regions? N/E gains a superb venue in Southport and N/W gains a mutlitude of different tracks for variety.
Obviously there will be more than a few that don't like this idea, but if we're gonna travel to Bury from Teeside or Durham then it's not much further.
Do and other regions run such large distances, or is it just N/E?

I just wish there was the interest in N.Ireland to run the regionals here :(

This is a never ending topic.When I left 1/10th 14years ago there was very strong debate about what ability should get to the nationals.I think it will always be a hot potato!!

having raced 1/8th for the last 10years I have now returned to 10th I have nearly compleated this seasons regionals in the EOE due to the amount of people taking part in these meeting and the number of people getting there F grades at the nats it looks like I will get my F2 this year....Great....but were now??I think the way the F grade is scored by regional percentages needs to be looked at as it depends on the ability and the number of the drivers in each region ( I think thats how it works:o ).

I think if there were far less regions and futher to travel it would only put club racers off, In my region east anglia we are a little out on a limb.

I think that it is important to remember you need to pay more attention to the entry level of the hobby like regionals,interclubs etc and maybe the good old british GP (those were the days:rolleyes: ) This way if you want to make the nationals more elite there will be other big meetings out there.

Errr.... anyway hope that all makes sense:wtf:

On a slightly different note, can you get an F3, F4, F5 grade from nationals or can they only come from regionals? As I did 4 nationals but only managed to get 3 regionals in.

only F1 and F2 can be got at nationals, 2,3,4,5 is through regionals

So as I only did 3 regionals I don't get a grade for next year? damn.

if your score from your 3 is still good enough to get you high enough for your grade then you will get that.

you don't HAVE to do all 4, but it does help you get more points that way.

also, I believe you only drop by 1 grade each year.

for example, if I didn't race for 2 years and I finish as an F1. when I come back I would be F3

Your grade for next year will be "F5"

I thought if you didnt complete in 4 out of six you didnt get graded or just dropped a grade if you already had one. :o