Im not annoyed about the money ive spent on my kit the reason i spend so much is to stop things being unreliable I would have no chance of getting my f4 or improving if i had cheap speedo's an motors that where for ever playing up all the time. Im more annoyed about the amount of money ive spent putting brand new tyres on for every regional. And having to pay my mum an dad fuel money. But its all fun fingers crossed i should get my f4 and if i enter every national next year i should get in.

Anyways where going totally off topic now so lets back to the AGM.

A

I don't mean to be rude, but what's so important about going to Nationals?

When I first started doing regionals / the odd National, I much preferred regionals because there were more people at my level that I could be competitive against and I could actually race. I mean, racing's what its all about - its no fun to be out of your depth. I mean, even now I don't enjoy 2wd Nationals so much because I'm always 3rd or 4th bottom final and I can't really do much about it. 4wd I'm battling for higher finals so its more fun, more competitive.

Its not the end of the world if you don't get your F4, or you don't get into Nationals. I don't think I did Nationals until my 4th-ish year of racing but I loved my club racing and regional racing. Don't get disheartened - I know you WANT to go to Nationals, but at the end of the day, they're not all that.

Race at regionals, club meetings and just ENJOY racing.

Just realise the 2nd round of the Worksop series clashes with this :(

Very bad planning on their part then.... Something similar happened with a different club last year.

I refer back to my previous post....


I understand what others said about low attendance at the AGM could well mean that the committee are doing a great job and there's no complaints, but it would be nice to see a few extra faces turn up and get a feel for how things are organised behind the scenes. Let's face it, the current committee members aren't going to be around for ever, and at some point they will need people with the equally good skills to replace them.......

The reason is i love racig so much i want to race more and more and if i only do regionals i will proberly only end up doing 10 meetings a year which is poo. Also when everyone is at nationals ill i want to do is be there not just for racing to see all the people i know off line and dont hardly get to see.

A

Is the Woksop thing just a club series, rather than BRCA sanctioned?

Yeah it is Stu, but for a club holding a new series, with the aim of attracting loads of racers, it seems a bit silly to clash with the AGM... I was just using that rule to make the point, as I know there was mutterings last year when it happened.

Also it look like Worksops March date is around the "normal" date for the Indoor Finals.

yeah, like i've said, i have to agree with Phil that i don't think it's good if clubs hold "big" meetings on AGM day. Nothing you can do to stop them, but it's not great IMHO

I think the reason there's more peeps attending the AGM for 12th Oval, is cos the stock car peeps don't want to be in the 21st centery :rolleyes: still using there mech speedos :wtf:

my proposed rule is for less F1 drivers.

i think they should be the cream of the crop and only 15 or so should get F1...make it special again and increase numbers at F2 level...and in doing tht....F3 level too.

Lee ( mastermind )

I would support that one

do we have a list of the proposed rule changes so far?

when is the closing date?

well i want to put that rule forward....

how do i do so??

and seconded by doughty

i third it!! and that's coming from an F5

You need to e-mail the proposal to Charlie Fraser, make sure you have details of the person who 2nd's the proposal.

wats his Email phil..

got it

Its in the BRCA hand book

EDIT: to late

A

here you go - [email protected]

all sorted. email sent!

Lee,

With regard to your rule change, you need to go through it bit more in detail. Reason i say this is, if you cut F1's down to 15 and increase F2's there will be a large amount of F2's. This could then mean some very good F2's (who were F1's) may not get in nationals, if they do not apply for all 6!!!!

I would in my view go for a total review of the formula system.
Licences:

Top 20 from 2wd and 4wd National Series gain F1
The next 30 again from 2wd and 4wd National series gain F2

Regionals:
Do away with F2 licence gained at regionals as some regions are not as strong as others.
So,
you can then gain F3,F4,F5 at regionals in the same way aas now.

Benefits:
The top 50 in both classes would be more identified and also gain entry to Nationals if applied for.
Better spread for lower graded drivers and those that commit to the series have better chance of entering.
Would increase attendance at end of season finals as there would be less F2's, F3's would be bigger. Regional Championships excl. F1's would increase as there are more drivers across the board eligible.

There are a couple of things in there that could be ironed out!! What do you think to that???

Oh, i would lose out as im on for gaining F1 licence so it is not being biased....

well if u move the top 15 to F1...the rest just wrks as a percentage....

so in theory it just shifts down.....

u will end up in the end with more F5's...........

maybe even make an F6 formula.

something needs to be done as F1 is just not special anymore...and end of season finals are suffering frm so many F1's

aww Lee you not feeling special ;) :D :D :D
your very special !!!!!!:p :p NEEDS !!!!!

Thats sort of what im saying, think 15 is little low 20 yes. Looking at the points if you went 15 then you have people like Truman, Cree, Moss and others who all make A finals etc close to not making it. And if you go through top 20 i would sasy 90% have or are very close to making A's.

You then got too look at the next lot of people who down to about 50th in Nationals excl. top 20, are gonna be up and coming or quick. You can't still have the F2's from regionals graded the same as these drivers!!!

Forget having another grade as you could go on forever.

We need to identify the best, and that would be:

F1 = Top 20 drivers in country
F2 = Next 30 best drivers in country
F3 = Top 20% Regional drivers excl. above
F4 = So on and so on
F5 = blah blah blah

John, seems a viable idea :)

Only thing I can see is the F3/4/5 finals have a larger pool of driver that could attend, which is great. But.. the BRC's would be almost the some pool of drivers, with the addition of the 30 F2's from Nationals. Making both E.o.S. finals virtually the same.

It could be that the two meetings could be combined into say.. the F2/3/4/5 finals...Not sure how we could incorporate the Juniors/Veteran finals though..

Just some thoughts....

I like the idea of only getting F2 at Nationals, but not sure on reducing the F1's, but then again, I'm a little biased ;)

G

Phil,

See what your saying but im pretty sure if you look at the end of season finals this year im willing to bet you would have the same sort of drivers anyway.

And if the system was done properly the BRC would be your top 5 from each region and then the next lot made up the rest....

Oh, and i also feel the end of season meetings NEED to be in the midlands every year on neutral surface, as these are one off meetings and there are regional drivers who attend. So make it easy for them....
Perhaps running these meetings in conjuntion with shows to help promote the hobby at the same time ????

Don't know just ideas!!!

maybe the top ten at the F3's get an F2 grade....

Lee,

what about F3 Champion = gains F2 licence

Regional Chapion = Gains F1 Licence

These drivers then have to wear a yellow jersey for all Nationals!!!!!:D

Just thinking to make things special for everyone....

World champs should wear Tartan
Euro champs, Pink

Anyway back to the serious talk

I do think something similar would work Pidge...

Say... the top 3 F3/F4/F5 at E.O.S. finals get an automatic place at the Nationals the following year (should they wish to enter).. This would hopeful encourage a few more entries at the finals.

Same could work for the Top 3 Juniors / Veterans at that Finals meeting too.

Here is one that isn't a rule but im sure it's more of a sporting thing!!!

Positions on rostrum:
The top 10 are called up and choose position, could we not have drivers entering rostrum by position for all finals ?????

I only think it is fair if you are pole you have earnt your place, you have hardest job in the race as the only way is down!!!
You don't want that made worse by someone standing in your place!!

It's a small thing but i feel we should reward everyone as each final is a final.

Hate to say it but if we feel some of these are good ideas, we need to say so as it will do nothing just talking about them on here!!!

I'm with you on that John... Like you say it's really good sporting conduct. But a suttle hint from the Ref at the start of each final might help.

The only exception would be for "small bods" that can't see when stood in a certain position on the rostrum... but this should be a common sense thing really...

I think that is a great idea (the rostrum thing)!

After a 3 1/2 hour wait at Soutport, to race from my best ever qualifying position (from pole), I had the time thing, shadows on the track making it hard to see and standing in a totally different place to contend with. Needless to say I went backwards at the start, and didn't really feel happy until a few laps in when I started to pull a few places back :mad:

G

defo on the rostrum thing...

also not allowed to 'move' after first (or maybe second) praccy (for qually)

if you miss or are late for your praccy, tough luck, go find another space

yeh defo on the space thing...

i think top 15 drivers get F1. top 5 at F2's get F1 and top 5 at F3's get F2......

incentives all around....

i have emailed charlier about the top 15 getting F1.

we need a mass proposal for all this now

Idea from me, all driver penalties should be made known public. That they had one and what the penalty was. Maybe published at the end of round or something?

Please propose that Dan, I'll second it.

Perhaps it's something we could ask Rob Nelson to include in the BBK software, so it automatically prints off at the end of each round.

Anyone want to second the Rostrum thing then and i will send off to charlie ????