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mikeyscott 20-05-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ian h (Post 378799)
If you need them I can get them, we use all American size stuff at work for our US built machines. Let me know if you need them and I can find out who our supplier is.

That'll be cool

dbizzle5 21-05-2010 07:31 AM

Is this the only size that will fit? Dont suppose you know if any metric size will fit?


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Originally Posted by Raul Garcia (Post 378771)
This is what it looks like it's 7/16".


kwiksi 21-05-2010 10:08 AM

I don't find anything wrong with the current orings on the idler gear for the buggy.

craigosh 21-05-2010 10:29 AM

Could you use a tiny zip-tie round the groove instead? though i guess not enough clearence!

ian h 21-05-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kwiksi (Post 379055)
Anybody been having issues with the orings in the idler gears?
I got a 7/16 clip like Raul said as a precaution. Upon installing it I found that it was loose fitting and there was a gap at the open end that looked like the pin can still come out. The pins felt snug in there and the oring looked fine and didn't seem too soft so back on it went. I'm going to the hardware store and am gonna pick up some other orings. Maybe I can find some that aren't as soft? Don't find anything wrong with the current ones though.

What motor are you running, I'm running 7.5 23/78 gearing. Since using retaining compound on the pins I have had no issues. I gave the car about an hour of track time yesterday and upon inspection found one o ring destroyed but the pin well and truly in place:thumbsup:. transmission is really smooth too.:thumbsup:

mikeyscott 21-05-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ian h (Post 379066)
What motor are you running, I'm running 7.5 23/78 gearing. Since using retaining compound on the pins I have had no issues. I gave the car about an hour of track time yesterday and upon inspection found one o ring destroyed but the pin well and truly in place:thumbsup:. transmission is really smooth too.:thumbsup:

What compound did you use?

I think it may only be affecting those that are running 7.5 and 6.5 motors? I'm running an 8.5

kwiksi 21-05-2010 11:27 AM

I ran a few packs in front of my house with a 9.5. Giving it full throttle blasts and hard braking on high grip asphalt....I hate traction rolling. Purposely did this after readjusting the diff after it slipped and putting the orings back on.

MattW 21-05-2010 12:22 PM

I'm running 6.5 in mine, and have had no issues at all - built as kit.

ian h 21-05-2010 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 379076)
What compound did you use?

I think it may only be affecting those that are running 7.5 and 6.5 motors? I'm running an 8.5

Loctite retaining compound 648

Albertini 21-05-2010 08:56 PM

Took a look at my gearbox today after a practice on Sunday of 3-4 practice packs and one of the o-rings holding the pin in place is pushed right up and has been rubbing on something. (Running an 8.5 by the way)
The o-rings still in one piece, just, but I reckon one more run would have finished it off.
Still got a tight spot, still got a gap in the gearbox housings, will new housings fix this now? Was it a snag with the first housings only?

I don't mind buying some more housings if they'll cure the issue and I guess I'll just loctite the pins in place. ( But hey, I'd rather be sent them for free:D)

I'm not whinging, I love this car, I just want to put right some of its snags.

fastinfastout 22-05-2010 01:07 AM

what if you double up on the oring?

fastinfastout 22-05-2010 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by craigosh (Post 379065)
Could you use a tiny zip-tie round the groove instead? though i guess not enough clearence!

thats an idea:thumbsup:

lochness42 22-05-2010 07:46 AM

heatshrink like on CVDs?

fastinfastout 22-05-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lochness42 (Post 379234)
heatshrink like on CVDs?

dont think that is possible with the schumachers cvd's design

JustARcFan 22-05-2010 02:22 PM

Did a test today with the pins glued and everything is perfect.

Smooth diff and gearbox :thumbsup:

lochness42 22-05-2010 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fastinfastout (Post 379322)
dont think that is possible with the schumachers cvd's design

Aren't we talking about layshaft? I mean use heatshrink instead of o-ring on pin, or under o-ring.
And of course this won't work on schueys dogbones, that's something that you can use only on CVDs or double joint CVDs

ian h 22-05-2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 378824)
That'll be cool

Pm sent

ian h 22-05-2010 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dbizzle5 (Post 379024)
Is this the only size that will fit? Dont suppose you know if any metric size will fit?

11mm, fraction smaller than7/16" which could be a good thing if you plan to go this route.

mikeyscott 24-05-2010 09:51 AM

Noticed that people are putting grease on the gears (gear grease) could this also be causing probs?

slow bob 24-05-2010 10:58 AM

i dont think the gear grease would be a problem as my o rings have disintagrated and i havent used the grease

if your o rings havent gone yet you need to glue your pins in or find some other way to retain the pins as the o rings will fail eventualy ..

mikeyscott 24-05-2010 10:59 AM

Got an important meeting next weekend so I'll be having a good long look etc. May even just run the SX instead whilst some of the SV issues get resolved.

Albertini 24-05-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 379747)
Noticed that people are putting grease on the gears (gear grease) could this also be causing probs?

Didn't grease mine and the gears have a fine black dust on them, assuming its from the shaved o-ring. Theres a picture in the quality issues thread.
Hopefully with a bit of threadlock or glue and new rings all will be well.

ian h 24-05-2010 02:49 PM

Another disaster whilst track testing today, the lay shaft gear completely stripped!!!!! The pins and o rings are still where they should be and the metal idler looks ok. Will post pics later. Can't work out what caused this, any ideas??????

slow bob 24-05-2010 03:32 PM

As the layshaft spun the pins moved out of the gear but still behind the o ring, snaged on the inside of the gearbox stripping the gear ???

then when the power stoped the pins are pushed back into the layshaft by the o ring >>???

is it totaly striped or just in one place :confused:

ian h 24-05-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by slow bob (Post 379860)
As the layshaft spun the pins moved out of the gear but still behind the o ring, snaged on the inside of the gearbox stripping the gear ???

then when the power stoped the pins are pushed back into the layshaft by the o ring >>???

is it totaly striped or just in one place :confused:

The pins are held in using retaining compound, they have definately not moved. The layshaft gear is now smooth all the way round, so yes it is completely stripped.

mikeyscott 24-05-2010 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ian h (Post 379864)
The pins are held in using retaining compound, they have definately not moved. The layshaft gear is now smooth all the way round, so yes it is completely stripped.

Same as one of the pics from the EPR regional.. Mmm what now.

phil c 24-05-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ian h (Post 379844)
Another disaster whilst track testing today, the lay shaft gear completely stripped!!!!! The pins and o rings are still where they should be and the metal idler looks ok. Will post pics later. Can't work out what caused this, any ideas??????

i read that some people were filing down the cogs to make the box smoother , did you do this ? if so did you maybe file to much off ?

sime46 24-05-2010 08:08 PM

Slipper too tight?

mikeyscott 24-05-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sime46 (Post 380072)
Slipper too tight?

I have thought that too.

shark 24-05-2010 09:35 PM

You would think you should be able to run the slipper tight , the gear box should handle that !!

kwiksi 24-05-2010 09:52 PM

I lighty lubed my gears. No issues after a full race day with a 9.5.:thumbsup:

ian h 24-05-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by phil c (Post 380058)
i read that some people were filing down the cogs to make the box smoother , did you do this ? if so did you maybe file to much off ?

No filing here. As for the slipper it seemed ok, slipping slightly under inital load.

ian h 24-05-2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ian h (Post 379844)
Another disaster whilst track testing today, the lay shaft gear completely stripped!!!!! The pins and o rings are still where they should be and the metal idler looks ok. Will post pics later. Can't work out what caused this, any ideas??????

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Sorry for the quality,best I could do at work with iphone

eichkay 25-05-2010 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kwiksi (Post 379080)
Anybody been having issues with the orings in the idler gears?
I got a 7/16 clip like Raul said as a precaution. Upon installing it I found that it was loose fitting and there was a gap at the open end that looked like the pin can still come out. The pins felt snug in there and the oring looked fine and didn't seem too soft so back on it went. I'm going to the hardware store and am gonna pick up some other orings. Maybe I can find some that aren't as soft? Don't find anything wrong with the current ones though.

I also found the 7/16" clip to big and put the o-ring back on .. but i after putting the car back together i thought it would have been smart to measure the oring area on the gear to get the correct size of clip needed.

ian h 25-05-2010 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by eichkay (Post 380169)
I also found the 7/16" clip to big and put the o-ring back on .. but i after putting the car back together i thought it would have been smart to measure the oring area on the gear to get the correct size of clip needed.

Just measured the groove on the one I took out, it is exactly 10mm or 0.400" which is actually in between 3/8" and & 7/16"(which is slightly over 11mm) so if you wanted to go this route 10mm metric circlip is the way to go.

Raul Garcia 27-05-2010 10:35 PM

Heres my new tranny. I like it alot.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...h_MAH01517.jpg

moth898 27-05-2010 11:10 PM

What did you change Raul?

Raul Garcia 27-05-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moth898 (Post 381151)
What did you change Raul?

New gears within the transmission, got them from Schumacher yesterday. Their customer service is AMAZING!...:thumbsup:

ian h 28-05-2010 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Raul Garcia (Post 381152)
New gears within the transmission, got them from Schumacher yesterday. Their customer service is AMAZING!...:thumbsup:

What happened to the original ones?

Raul Garcia 28-05-2010 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ian h (Post 381178)
What happened to the original ones?

I was told to use them..;)


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