I guess this buggy meets local rules as far as width is concerned. But that said, I'll take a look later... I have some ideas that should be easy enough to execute to shave off that 5mm or so from the width. :)

Would love to se a action video of this car on a track :thumbsup:

Re-cut the white delrin parts in black instead!

http://www.cool.per.sg/external_link...project_19.jpg

http://www.cool.per.sg/external_link...project_20.jpg

Hopefully a video to post soon!

Wow! Übercool! :woot:

I'd love to try one!

Name suggestion: "The FrontRunner"

Frontrunner is quite interesting!

Everyone's asking for a video so here you go!

In the vid the buggy is being driven by different drivers having a go at it. :)



Not too shabby?






In case youtube is giving errors playing here, you can view it direct on youtube here.

I'm well impressed with how it goes!

Good work dude!:thumbsup:

Not shabby at all.. .I`m super impressed..
Thought it would nose-dive more on jumps, but obviously this isnt the case at all.. I`m in love with the concept and have to make me one for myself..:drool:

Looks like it gets around marvelously. :thumbsup:

Looks pretty good, and the black parts look a lot better :thumbsup:

I think i have found a project for the winter lol.

Nice video! It looks really good on the track, i can see this car starting a "fwd fever" here to forget about "mid" conversions :lol::lol:

:thumbsup:Good work!:thumbsup:

Thanks guys, the weather's been decent the last two days so the car's done a few batts worth of laps on the track and been run by different guys. So far everyone thinks it's a blast to drive. The consensus at the track has always been "4WD is easier to start with than 2WD" but the guys who've tried the FF buggy think this is the easiest buggy to drive yet. One racer commented that even a 4WD will spin out on certain surfaces because the rear wheels are still "pushing" the car, but for a FF this doesn't happen.

So far the car has been the easiest to drive consistently around the track in a variety of conditions and I think that's it's huge advantage. Since there's no worry about the rear breaking loose, one just needs to concentrate on getting the line right to carry the most speed through the turns.

One other pleasant surprise is... the car cleared the triples today a couple of times! I initially thought that the wheelspin was causing problems for the car getting up to speed for the triples but now I'm pretty sure it just needs a bit more motor. :) It's currently running with a 10.5T but I'm going to try a 8.5T to see how it goes.

It drives brilliantly!
 

Hiya folks,

I've just had the opportunity to drive the v2 version of bloodclod's creation....

The truth is, it drives so incredibly well, it's insane.

The traction today is loose and extremely rough. I was expecting the car to slide but it never did.

If anyone has driven a tamiya fwd mini on a high grip surface... it drives just like it...
Point where you want and peg it! Coast just before the turn to transfer weight forward and peg it immediately after to negotiate the turn.

What's there not to like?

Taking orders here!

I hear it weighs in at only 1400 grams.

Hi,

Congrat to your nice creation...:thumbsup:

I love FF cars,,, in my very early days I drived a FF tamiya,, was always fun.

The ability of your car is impressive!!!!!!!!!!

GUYS!!! Time to think about something new:thumbsup:

Hope youll kick some medals on the events

Using a standard production rear suspension arm would be nice to see if you could come up with an appropriate rear hub system that allows you to adjust toe. Like the turnbuckle system on a predator or the other homebuilt pictured.

Camber would still be hard to adjust with this system, but it could possibly be done with shims under the arm mounts on the chassis.

Not sure if you caught this, but the HPI_Kogaff has a saddlepack configuration. The chassis also is much lower compared to the other cars because the rear arm mounts are so elevated from the lower deck.

How did you get enough clearance on the front steering to use the wider rear rims/tires?

Cool car!
Jon

ive always wanted to make a fwd buggy but looks like the yokomo yrf2 sp touring car but never knew haw well it would really go but after seeing in the video haw well a front wheel drive buggy can go i might have 2 give it ago

Thanks guys - this project has been a lot of fun!

Please do build your own FF buggies and post them up - I guarantee you the drive will more than justify your time put in! :)

Thanks! I did think of a production arm but I really wanted to use the trailing arm for this project just to see how it would run. I think because of the unique characteristics of a FF buggy, a trailing arm would work better to retain traction and handle bumps. If nothing else, the runs so far suggest that a forward weight bias is key to forward traction on this car... and the very long trailing arms certainly ensure the rest of the weight is put far forward in the buggy.

Using the standard steering parts from the DB01/501 don't pose any clearance problems with the wider tires, the problem was more track width which had to be narrowed by moving the inner hingepin mounting positions closer to the center of the chassis.

I'm saying use a standard arm FOR the trailing suspension setup, like the previously pictured homebrew.

I know the steering setup would be rediculously hard, but a mid-motor front wheel drive car would be awesome.

Jon

Looks great!

AFAIK front wheel drive is not legel according to EFRA rules though :thumbdown:

But should be BIG FUN for club racing though! :thumbsup:

How do you cut those delrin parts? CNC machine?

they have to rethink that rule...=)

any updates on 'The New Physics'?

The car is now running with a 8.5T Tekin sensored motor and that's given it a boost in terms of pick up and speed - so much so that the buggy is now able to clear the triples on the track.

I find that tire selection is less crucial on a FF than on a rear wheel driven buggy. A good tire will give better forward bite but since the car won't spin out a worn tire still gets it round the track in a jiffy. Worn (or wrong) tires on my RWD will make a buggy near impossible to drive on the loose-medium tracks we run here.

Still getting more track time to get more accustomed to how to get the best lines out of the buggy - to cut the tightest lines my throttle finger has to adjust to a different style of driving.

Jonathan, I hereby pre-order an Atomic-Carbon FF conversion kit!!! With a bodyshell!

GET BUSY!!! :thumbsup:

Do I get any commission? :D lol!

Where do you but delrin from? And how do you cut it? CNC?

I'm not from the UK but I get my Delrin and G10 from a local supplier of industrial materials. It's cut by a CNC-enabled Sherline mill. :)

Awesome project! Reminds me of the late 80's when I built my own FWD buggy. Great job. :cool:

this is such an inspireing project !!

first of all, concratulations on the awsome looking and handeling car !! (predatoresque? :P)

i have decided to do 2 projects now, a 1/6th nitro onroad fwd car (using my dead schumacher big 6) and my A level DT project a mid motor, fwd buggy like this one, but with the weight still far forward...

as i said, great little car, you should be very proud !! :)

Thanks guys. As you can imagine this car continues to turn heads at the track both in terms of looks and handling too. It keeps up fine on high traction days, but it truly excels when things get dry and loose.

With some recent changes in our track layout, the only real area where it suffers a tad is when there is any need for a sudden burst of speed. We have this set of whoops on a table top coming right after a turn and with my Cougar I can just about jump these at a go with a burst of throttle up the jump. The FF Buggy doesn't accelerate as hard due to wheel spin and the design of the track doesn't allow it to carry enough speed through the turn to clear the whoops. Car is killer and more than makes up on the rest of the track though. Will have to practice some different lines... I may clear this yet! :)

FF Buggy received a shell makeover and clean-up too...

http://www.cool.per.sg/external_link...project_21.jpg

Standard "BloodClod" team colors (I'm not very imaginative... lol)

http://www.cool.per.sg/external_link.../trf201_04.jpg

shouldn't front wheel drive cars run in 4wd class ?

brca says yes
 

brca says yes. im racing....
thanks blood clod this rules. i am awaiting my ff car as i speak. racing 2wd this sunday i hope.

and EFRA? (I can't find it)

WTF!!!!!
 

O MY GOD"!!!!!! WOW!!!!! EH!!!!!! ERRRMMMMMM!!!!
I LOVE IT!!!!! Looks very FUNKY.......NICE WORK DUDE:thumbsup:
BIG THUMBS UP FROM ME!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

It is considered 4wd with ROAR, but not with BRCA, not sure about EFRA

A very cool car, i love it :thumbsup:

Thanks guys, the car has been performing very well and I'm thinking of running it in an upcoming local race just to see how it stacks up. From the picture posted earlier some of you might have also spotted that it sports a new bumper that's pretty heavy duty... lol.

If/when you do, please post some vids. :thumbsup:

wicked car
 

wow what a cool car,
i was gunna say name it grasshopper as it looks like one but as a car is already called grasshopper, how about the dragonfly, as it looks like one of those too with the wing mount being the big tail ??

or how about transformer, as if you look at your 3rd pic down in the result on page 1 it looks like a transformer if you look sideways at the pic

Was just thinking arfter reading this thread it needs a hydra drive system of a losi xx from the 90s this would probably help the traction ??