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mikeyscott 03-05-2010 09:28 PM

Any of the team using Ghea pistons?

Cockerill 03-05-2010 09:34 PM

Not sure there's any even in the country yet!!

I'm sure they will be tested at some point, but at the minute the team are all achieving good results using the standard pistons :thumbsup:

mw02veg 04-05-2010 03:45 PM

im currently using trish bits 5 hole rounded pistons to good affect :thumbsup:

mikeyscott 04-05-2010 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mw02veg (Post 373643)
im currently using trish bits 5 hole rounded pistons to good affect :thumbsup:

What's different with the trishbits pistons and is he going to be doing them for Jo public ;)

dbizzle5 06-05-2010 07:07 PM

Hinckley
 
Did Simon or anyone else run there cougars at Hinkley the other week? If so how did you find it and what setup did you end up with?

fastinfastout 07-05-2010 07:41 AM

Springs
 
what springs come with the kit?

also, I noticed there are med and long springs. I initially thought the long ones were for the rear, however looking at the manual it can be used for both front and rears.

whats the consensus for the spring lengths? Are longer springs for bumpy surfaces, med for big jumps. Am I correct in saying longer springs are softer and shorter springs are harder?

lochness42 07-05-2010 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastinfastout (Post 374551)
what springs come with the kit?

also, I noticed there are med and long springs. I initially thought the long ones were for the rear, however looking at the manual it can be used for both front and rears.

whats the consensus for the spring lengths? Are longer springs for bumpy surfaces, med for big jumps. Am I correct in saying longer springs are softer and shorter springs are harder?

Long for rear and med for front - I belive that diagram was meant for both shocks. In kit there are 2.5lb spring for rear and 3.5lb spring for front.

fastinfastout 07-05-2010 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lochness42 (Post 374559)
Long for rear and med for front - I belive that diagram was meant for both shocks. In kit there are 2.5lb spring for rear and 3.5lb spring for front.

thanks for your quick reply.

now to find a place in the UK that will ship for a decent price to Australia. I had 2 springs and 2 undertrays in my checkout at schumacher-racing, and they quoted 33pounds for shipping alone:o

unfortunately they didnt have the parts I wanted when I placed the order the the SV.

Does anyone know of some places that will ship parts overseas, for a decent price?

lochness42 07-05-2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastinfastout (Post 374610)
thanks for your quick reply.

now to find a place in the UK that will ship for a decent price to Australia. I had 2 springs and 2 undertrays in my checkout at schumacher-racing, and they quoted 33pounds for shipping alone:o

unfortunately they didnt have the parts I wanted when I placed the order the the SV.

Does anyone know of some places that will ship parts overseas, for a decent price?

They are posting by UPS by default - hence the high postage. If you'll post your order by email and ask for Royal Mail, it'll be cheaper but also delivery will take longer (nothing could beat 2-3 days delivery from UK to Slovakia so far by UPS).

Q_man 08-05-2010 12:51 PM

Link Mounts
 
Hi,
Just wondering what the kit link mounts were?
Thanks
Wayne

Swiss 10-05-2010 09:56 AM

I used the Trishbits pistons and brass weights at the weekend. And what an awesome additon to the car. I would highly recomend anyone buying them. Nice guy too, always willing to help with questions etc :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 373644)
What's different with the trishbits pistons and is he going to be doing them for Jo public ;)


mikeyscott 10-05-2010 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss (Post 375426)
I used the Trishbits pistons and brass weights at the weekend. And what an awesome additon to the car. I would highly recomend anyone buying them. Nice guy too, always willing to help with questions etc :)

Pics and any more details ;)

mikeyscott 11-05-2010 07:02 PM

Any RHR setups?

ian h 11-05-2010 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 376096)
Any RHR setups?

+1 here please, need to make sure I have all the right gear for the oople race.

P_B 11-05-2010 07:44 PM

One thing is for sure, your man 'GOD' was running some freaky naughty short front camber link plates with an armful of washers at RHR. (Mossy had his multi-hole option ones on)

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...i/IMGP0813.jpg

Some team drivers also ran the plastic spacer above the rear camber link plate to help lower the ballstud.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...i/IMGP0675.jpg

Cockerill 11-05-2010 08:24 PM

I'll get my setup posted as soon as my laptop stops playing up, hopefully tonight :thumbsup:

Cockerill 11-05-2010 09:31 PM

I tried uploading but it's too big for the forum, should be on the Schumacher site tomorrow though :thumbsup:

The front link was something we have been testing to help lose some of the steering the car seems to have. I found it worked well at RHR, Si thought the 45mm link was better though. When we were testing today we both settled on the 45mm front link.

The plastic spacer at the rear doesn't necessarily have to go under the link plate, it can be used as a tuning option. I personally always run with the plate as low as possible, and normally 1mm of spacing on the ballstud too.

Any more questions feel free to ask

ian h 11-05-2010 10:19 PM

Do all the washers up front give an in between feel, or is there any other reason for shortening the link and then in effect lengthening it again with the washers?

scottg 12-05-2010 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastinfastout (Post 374610)
thanks for your quick reply.

now to find a place in the UK that will ship for a decent price to Australia. I had 2 springs and 2 undertrays in my checkout at schumacher-racing, and they quoted 33pounds for shipping alone:o

unfortunately they didnt have the parts I wanted when I placed the order the the SV.

Does anyone know of some places that will ship parts overseas, for a decent price?

fastinfastout, hit up actionrc.com.au. we have schumacher parts coming into australia every week, including cougar gear. we have one kit left in stock at the moment.

nottmboy 12-05-2010 07:48 AM



Quote:

When we were testing today we both settled on the 45mm front link.
tom what surface was this on?




Cockerill 12-05-2010 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ian h (Post 376200)
Do all the washers up front give an in between feel, or is there any other reason for shortening the link and then in effect lengthening it again with the washers?

It's much easier to adjust the washers than change the link plate, especially with so little time between practice runs. I played about the amount of washers in practice and 4 is what felt best for me on track.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nottmboy (Post 376250)


tom what surface was this on?


EPR Track, so Astro/Concrete

simoncrabb 12-05-2010 10:17 AM

Interesting, so, generally it has been found (on astro) rear links longer and front links shorter, increasing rear grip and reducing steering?

David Poulter 12-05-2010 10:17 AM

Tom

Were you running the stagger ribs with foams in?

Dave

Swiss 12-05-2010 04:30 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Hope these are OK. There is also a brass weight under the servo, but you cannot see it, so no point in trying to photograh.

Paul Timberlake

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 375428)
Pics and any more details ;)


mikeyscott 12-05-2010 05:15 PM

Very nice.

Nice Tekin in there too

johan neyens 13-05-2010 01:42 PM

What's the ride height you use for astro tracks?

How should i best messure this?

Cockerill 13-05-2010 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Poulter (Post 376279)
Tom

Were you running the stagger ribs with foams in?

Dave

No, I run them without foams and on a cut down wheel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by johan neyens (Post 376744)
What's the ride height you use for astro tracks?

How should i best messure this?

I normally start with about 21mm ground clearance, from the chassis to floor. Alternatively it's about rear drive shafts level and then make sure the chassis is level from the side.

Raul Garcia 14-05-2010 12:09 AM

Cockerill, can you shed some light on this please. I tried alot of things.
Now we had two cars on the track, initial setups were close main difference one had saddles and low diff. The other had stick and high diff. One car had 40wt Schumacher oil frt and rear, mine had the high diff, 42.5 Losi rear, 37.5 losi front.
We both agreed, way to much steering either way. So we chased out the steering.
Both cars had foward rear shocks, hubs foward, top of shock inner hole, lower mount stck , 5* rear toe, swapped camber link mount with spacer, no sway bar. 83/20 8.5 sp v3.0 w 2.1 pro, the other was 80/23 sp v3 10.5 w 2.1 pro.
We both tried the rear shocks on the back of the tower. It wasn't helping.
On the front , the steering link ball was moved to the rear hole on the rack. Top of the shock all in, inner arm, arms reverse sweep. 0* castor block, shim on lower for the Steering block.
Tires- fast at the track is BK bar pink rear, taper pin pink front. We could not get that combo to work. So we went to DD's rear, rounders frt, this helped.
I'm waiting for my springs, just picked up a set of 2 & 4 hole pistons. Time to do some experimenting now.
This track is hard packed 90x65

MattW 14-05-2010 07:21 AM

.5 rear toe??

I wonder if you're over damped and if there is no body roll.

I presume yoku don't have th eroll bar on?? if so, take it off!

mikeyscott 14-05-2010 07:26 AM

I thought 4 degree on the rear was enough anyway!

Once I'm happy with the car I'll be looking at 3 degree

I'm trying the Ghea 4 and 5 hole pistons at the moment, but I think that's a mistake as the holes are HUGE compared with the Schumacher ones :( 1.55!

So waiting on the Schumacher rounded 5 hole pistons

johan neyens 14-05-2010 07:36 AM

How much rebound should i have on my shock's?

Cockerill 14-05-2010 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johan neyens (Post 376976)
How much rebound should i have on my shock's?

I normally have about 1/2 rebound with my shocks.

Raul Garcia 14-05-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattW (Post 376971)
.5 rear toe??

I wonder if you're over damped and if there is no body roll.

I presume yoku don't have th eroll bar on?? if so, take it off!

Matt, 5 degree toe block, and no sway.

kwiksi 16-05-2010 01:31 PM

I noticed on some of the "Driver notes" setup sheets. The team uses a long ball socket cut down 2.5 mm. What and why is this? What benefit does it do?

fastinfastout 16-05-2010 06:14 PM

anti-squat
 
in the manual it says you can change anti-squat from 0-3degrees but does not show you how.

obviously to get more anti-squat, I need to raise the fore side of the rear pivot block, do I use 0.03 shims like on the AE?
EDIT....found a setup sheet and saw you can put washers under the rear pivot block,
does that mean the standard setup is 3 degrees anti-squat? And putting washers b/n the rear bulkhead and pivot block will reduce antisquat? If so, how many washers gives what degree of anti-squat?

it also says 4.5 degree anti-squat is possible with additional parts. Is this a new rear pivot block that sits the hinge pins lower?
What parts do I need for 4.5 AS?

moth898 16-05-2010 07:53 PM

No spacers = 3 degrees anti-squat, more spacers less antisquat. The 4.5 antisquate needs a different lower tranny block u772 & u773.

I unscrewed the front shock shaft ball socket 2mm and added a spacer between the spring seat and ball socket. Gave me some extra suspension travel up front.

dbizzle5 16-05-2010 10:50 PM

Grass setup
 
Ran my cougar at the Mid East Regional today at Broxtowe and all I can say is awsome! So good to drive and very fast. This car is definatly improving my results. :thumbsup:
Have tried to fill in a setup sheet but cant save it? How do you do it?

eichkay 17-05-2010 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbizzle5 (Post 377647)
Ran my cougar at the Mid East Regional today at Broxtowe and all I can say is awsome! So good to drive and very fast. This car is definatly improving my results. :thumbsup:
Have tried to fill in a setup sheet but cant save it? How do you do it?


Some systems (im on a mac btw) let you save via the print method.. i hit print and then theres a save to file option and this allows you to save as pdf, it wont let you edit this version tho so make sure its 100% correct otherwise you'll be doing it all over again..

fastinfastout 17-05-2010 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moth898 (Post 377584)
No spacers = 3 degrees anti-squat, more spacers less antisquat. The 4.5 antisquate needs a different lower tranny block u772 & u773.

I unscrewed the front shock shaft ball socket 2mm and added a spacer between the spring seat and ball socket. Gave me some extra suspension travel up front.

thanks for that.

so besides eyeing it off, how many spacers = 0 anti-squat.

and how did you find out about the lower tranny blocks u772 & u773, as I have been looking and cannot find anything about them on schumachers website. Still in production?

fastinfastout 17-05-2010 04:42 AM

ride height
 
does this car like x6 like ride heights, a few mm higher than other buggies?


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