your absolutely correct you wait until the list comes out or take a risk, that isn't the point, assuming you are as "in touch" with them as you make out, you know why they are not on the list, so when are they going to say something

so why were they not on the list?

you have not been misslead in anyway that they would be BRCA legal?? thier claim is ther designed to meet the requirments, which they do!

so how is that Energons fault?

i do know, when i can say more i will, for now its not my place to say, but for now look at the advert in the latest RRCI and work it out!

page 61

Ha ha ha ha, keep the made up Jackanory stories coming :thumbsup:

G

i dont have access to rrci so i cant work anything out:bored:. obviously you have been told a different version of events

then put what you have been told?

after you :D

look at the RRCI advert then!

now you........:p

lol

nice one G

What would annoy me is if TP never had any intention of applying for BRCA status for the Dark Series. They would of known full well that a lot of people would get them before for Christmas etc in the assumption (right or wrong) it was looking likely they would be legal. If this was the case they should of made it clear from day 1. I have had no response to the email i sent TrakPower although i guess that may of had quite a few.

why dont folk read all the posts?

last time............ they were submitted, there was a problem (not with the cells/packs) and there is one mighty clue in the mentioned advert on page 61 of RRCI's latest issue
some more info here

http://www.energonsolutions.co.uk/

I did read all the posts, can't see any mention that they did submit an application. I don't have access to RCCI, the fact remains unless they give a really good reason then they will of lost a lot of future business, regardless of what name they trade under

same again as i have asked this already

where did they say they were BRCA legal?

The lack of Track power dark cells will make it so that I cannot afford to race this year.

In the run up to Xmas where the only top brand lipo's in local shops.

This hobby is far to expenisve for club level racers, and the lack of this cells will make it so many club level drivers like me will be unable to race this year.

I think the point is that people expected TrakPower to submit and be on the list. A reasonable assumption as the gold series were and a hell of a lot of people raced with them. If they were a new or unknown brand then it would be right to condone people for making too many assumptions. But, I think it reasonable for people to assume TrakPower would be on the 2010 list.

I think they intended to be on the list, given they'd signed up some national drivers (or, and this may be the key bit, the uk distributor did).

I'm taking an educated guess, part of being brca legal is proving the cells will be commercially available within the uk, with the ownership/distribution changes I think maybe they couldn't do so in the timescale involved for the list completion.

Is it a case that TrakPowers were submitted, but as they appear to be re-branding to TrakTech, then the Trakpowers would therefore be no longer available so they simply could not be put on the list. And I guessTraktech were not available in time for submission...

This is utterly ridiculous!!
It's the same every year.
If you intend to race at BRCA sanctioned events and you buy your cells before the list is out then you deserve your to loose your money.
It's irrelevant why TP Dark's are not on the list - the simple fact is that they aren't. If anyone was serious about the 2010 year then all you had to do was ask around and anyone with 1/2 a brain would have said wait for the list.

So just so I can quote this post next year in an identical thread to this one ONLY BUY YOUR LIPO'S AFTER THE LIST IS RELEASED. NEVER BUY BEFORE CHRISTMAS. NEVER MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.

Col, You've just said what loads of people were thinking. :thumbsup:

I'm sorry, it just winds me up.

Col, not sure why it isn't ok to discuss why a major brand is missing???

I agree people should wait for the list, no reason not to this year either as if you "needed" cells before now you can just use the 2009 list as it carries forward.

That doesn't mean it isn't of interest when a major cell brand who produced new cells recently hasn't gone on the list?

I haven't bought the TP Darks. Was going too but waited for the list.

Is it not ok to have a punt and discuss - that what forums are for? As long as we don't spout sh'te as if its the truth, what harm is there. I like TP, I like their products and am just surprised. Thats all.

I'll get my jacket.....

I agree this is the bottom line, but i think your comments are a little harsh. If you have loads of money and can by what you need fair enough. I am lucky enough now to be able to buy some more LIPOS now, however at Christmas i needed to ask for some as it looked like the only time i would be able to switch to LIPO for this year. the TP Dark Series looked a good bet to be on this years list so i took a chance. I am sure other people were in a similar predicament. Daves comments further up are very well put.

just for the record i am not out of pocket because of the lack of trakpower cells, however i asked a question as to what they (TP) intend to do, my reasons for this are as follows, every year as col forcibly states there is some problem with the list and bold statements are made by forum members usually aimed at the BRCA and its officials, some years the comments are justified some not, already there are two threads on this forum about TP Darks and already wild statements are being made. it would be helpful if the company issued a statement rather than let any further damaging comments being made.

what do you expect them to do? what have they done wrong?
they have not sold them as BRCA legal.

Try not to use TP as an abbreviation of Trakpower - historically that is Thunderpower (who are on the list).

Nice to see Flightpower back to fresh beginnings while Flighttech has moved on to Energon.

At no point did Flightpower (or any of its employees - like Mac on here) actually say or imply that Trakpower's Dark Series were actually going to be BRCA sanctioned, just that everyone kind of assumed that they were going to be. Flighttech was going through a buyout at that time, and getting batteries sanctioned was probably low on the priority list.

No club (surely) requires you to have LiPos that are on the list, unless you do regionals or nationals, at which point surely you must have a fair amount of money to be able to afford doing them?

The company won't issue a statement - and quite rightly - it's nothing to do with them that you assumed.

I was having a look round the trackpower website, and found this:-

http://www.energonsolutions.co.uk/es...MAH-STICK-PACK

Now to me, that implies that Trackpower were reasonably confident that they would be sanctioned and on the list. You can't blame people for reading that and then assuming the cells would be ok.

But I agree, wait for the list, doesn't matter what the manufacturer says.

They said there Designed to match the specifications it doesnt mean there legal no manafacturer can say they are BRCA legal until they have been inspected etc by Paul.

A

there is no company trackpower

trakpower is a brand name, not a company, you need to read the bit on that very website!

http://www.energonsolutions.co.uk/index.asp

read the last two articles!

thank you ash, my faith is restorded in you

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I'm a little worried myself that my lipos seem to have disapeared of the list. I'd assumed that once cell we're on the list, they would stay on the list.

Which cell is that then?

Demon DL5000, can't see them anywhere. I'm looking at replacing them anyway, but don't want to be forced into it.

I can't see them being removed if originally on the list. This years list hasn't changed since 27/01/10 and I can't really see Mr Worsley making any mistakes in the homologation checks.

Perhaps they weren't there originally or they go by different part numbers than you think, as there's two Demon sticks that are 5000mAh from last years list.

Well just in case ssshhhhhhh! I'm racing tomorrow, and obviously don't have chance to get any replacements lol

I must admit it does strike me as a little daft that cell approval only occurs once a year - cell tech moved on quite a lot in the last 12 months or so.
By the start of the winter season there were a lot of people running new cells on the gamble their chosen version would be approved, not just Darkpowers but others too. Ironically given how popular the gold packs were, Darkpowers were regarded as the 'safe' bet to be in.
People got new cells early because they needed new cells. Yes they could have gotten 2009 list cells, but who wants last years 4000mAh 25C when you could have the latest 5000mAh 40C? Buy last years and be at a disadvantage when the new list comes out or go for the new tech and hope its approved.....




Anyway - all that said time to get off Trakpowers case. Sure you might have lost a few quid buying cells that are perfectly good for club meets but not nationals or regionals (and even then you can use them for practice!), but thats nothing compared to what Trakpower have lost. Because I can't imagine them selling many packs this year.......

Not too sure how much disadvantaged, at a quick look I'd guess at least half of this years cells won't even fit in a B4 with the standard battery strap. most of them are so high! I might try and grab some more 2009 cells before they disappear!

I thought part of the big idea behind LIPO's and how they were advertised way back in 2008 and 2009 was that they would last longer than the current range of NIMh's so I don't get why people are replacing last years cells?
It's not as if we need any more power, especially in off road.

Still amazes me that this seems to happen every year!!!

Actually the main reason I know of people getting new cells was down to switching cars and going from sticks to saddles or vice versa. Or in the case of Durango runners especially because their existing cells didn't fit.
Which means you need to wait for next years list to buy a new chassis too!

Fair enough answer, thats why I changed my cells, but then I also bought some off the 2009 list.

No problem with that one, dude! I'm actually quite curious myself.

Several points have been raised in this thread about why people had to buy new lipo's and as far as I can remember the only valid one is changing chassis. I've recently gone from stick to saddle so was in the same boat myself (except that this is gonna be another year I don't get to do regionals).
But as so many top drivers have said many time we have too much power in off road these days, so replacing lipo's cos they are a year old is just stupid. I've got a Trakpower 4900 stick pack that's nearly 3 years old and has as much punch now as it did new. It's almost a shame to retire it!
My latest are Intellect 4200 saddles. I have one set that will get used for every practice, every race and every final I do for the next 2 years before I even think of replacing them. As far as I'm concerned if 1 set can be used and charged in 1 evening's club racing then there is no problem when nationals and regionals last all day.

I think I'm turning into Victor bloody Meldrew