OK, game on then - :)

The ZXR I have looks more like my ZX I had back in the 80's, in fact the only thing it has got is a ZXR body! :confused: Apart from that it just looks like a long wheel base MID. ERM with a full graphite saddle pack chassis.

I think it has ball diffs??

I will put it in front of the Vintage scrutineers and see what they say!??:D

You mean Jim?

http://www.darrynsretrorc.rtox.com/k...s/zxrlazer.htm This is the ZXR and you can see it's 92. I started in 90 and remember this having the most hype at our club ever, it was a good car.

If you get a chance look at the kits this guy has, he's a freaking nutter (in a good way).

I will buy a Procat then.:yawn:

I think that may also be borderline :D :D :D :D :D

G

the ZXR was later but you can convert to ZX format easily. The gear diffs can still be bought, the ZX bodyshell is still being sold

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kyosho-Lazer-Z...QQcmdZViewItem

The top deck and chassis doesnt really make a difference as the parts were available in 89. I think the ball diffs were as well.

The difference is so small between the zx and zxr (diffs, wheels and top deck), so nothing much to judge. The drivetrain is the same as the internal gearbox gears and belts havent changed at all.

Well if I was scrutineering I would ban it:D

The Lazer ZX was introduced in December 1989, which makes it VERY borderline, and is a very different beast to the ZX-R. To classify as a ZX it must have gear diffs, a split two piece top deck (so the chassis is really flexible without the centre plastic spine), the centre ball diff (no slipper!), alloy plate shock mounts and short front shocks and with 2 inch Optima Mid wheels. All the chassis plates were grp, not carbon. You could try saying it's a ZX with hop ups but as none of the hop ups (or the one piece top deck) were available until well into the 90s I would say none of them should be allowed.

BTW the Procat was also released late 1989, September I think, so again is marginal but more likely to be allowed as all the ZXS's had the Cougar rear suspension (as used on the Procat) grafted onto them long before then. It was also an evolution of an 80's chassis, rather than the Lazer ZX being the first release of a 90's chassis.

Another alternative is the Yokomo Super Dogfighter, released in 1988 it won the 1989 nationals and dominated the 89 Worlds. You would really need to know what you are looking at to make sure it's a Super Dogfighter and not a Works '91 though.

Blimey - complex stuff that.

Good job it's me that is the 'scrutaineer', or else it could go on all night.

Well it should be fairly easy to sort out beforehand, it's easy to come up with a list of what's allowed.

Being a bit pedantic, only RC10s with the original 6 gear gearbox should be allowed as the Stealth gearbox didn't appear until April 1990. I can see that going down well in 2wd, at least it would give other 2wds a fighting chance.:D


Another suggestion if someone is feeling very wealthy, the Tamiya Egress. It'll cost you a fortune every time the front uprights just look at something solid:D

[quote=terry.sc;42741]Well if I was scrutineering I would ban it:D

The Lazer ZX was introduced in December 1989, which makes it VERY borderline, and is a very different beast to the ZX-R. To classify as a ZX it must have gear diffs, a split two piece top deck (so the chassis is really flexible without the centre plastic spine), the centre ball diff (no slipper!), alloy plate shock mounts and short front shocks and with 2 inch Optima Mid wheels. All the chassis plates were grp, not carbon. You could try saying it's a ZX with hop ups but as none of the hop ups (or the one piece top deck) were available until well into the 90s I would say none of them should be allowed.


I think you have made a little mistake. The centre diff was complex yes but was also a slipper, and a one way and much better than the hyperclutch when that came out in the late 90's. It could be set to 50/50 or 60/40 so the choice was there for many options. It has a slipper system and you could use with or without the balls in the spur. i know as I ran with this system for six years and my results speak for themselves. Also the ball diffs were available in 89 but the gear diffs were better indoors than the ball diffs, so not a problem using them or getting the parts as they are still available

Also the top deck in CF was available in 89 as well as the chassis as i had one. The two piece was ok as it kept the belt loose, which made the car more efficient and quicker.

The shock towers were also in a grp form and were also available from japan in CF as well as they were being used around 89/90.

But yes the wheels were small but that should not make a problem with 2.2 wheels as there are no tires to fit the zx wheels anymore, and lets be honest here not many peole are very good at cut and shuts.

I guess you guys say vintage to mean cars that are no longer competitive, whereas the zx was and still is a competitive car. Vintage was said to be in the 80's and this car was in the end of the 80's so is a valid car but im guessing the rules are being made up as we go along.

Stu I forgot about this, at the indoor champs in 93/94 Kristien Wiles knocked Craig Harris out of the A final with a Mardave Cobra and finished fourth or fifith I believe. So in the right hands is a very capable car on carpet as well as grass where he also beat harris several times with it. Pretty good car.

Hmmm, yeah. There was a chap raced a Cobra in the NW regionals untill only a few years back. It was ballraced, some home made parts and Losi Shocks (or EA, can't remember exactly). He was a medium ability driver, he regularly put it in regional B finals.

Maybe with enough interest we could run two classes;

Vintage - Pre-1990
Retro - Pre-1995

Ideas?

As an outside observer, I would make everybody produce their original purchase receipt dated pre-1990 :wtf: !

Failing that. Box standard kits (no upgrades) with a release date pre 1990 and perhaps a seperate class pre 1985 (at a guess) for the likes of the Hornet and Hotshot etc. Could race togeather but have two classifications.

I would be interested in a race or too with my old procat. I'm a bit worried that you guys consider a guy who gets into reginal B finals as a middle ability driver! Maybe u could also have a handicap system for vintage racers who haven't actually raced since 1990 either;)

That's middle as in half way between a national 'A' driver and a low end club driver.

Sorry, I wan't suggesting that someone who does regional 'C' finals is a spoon, or even a spork.

I think screw all you guys with your faux vintage cars... Bring on the mighty Marui Ninja!! :D

Although I reckon the plastics on mine are now so brittle it might break a wishbone if a marshall sneezes!!!

I remember wanting one of those Ninjas badly, but the local model shop told me i would be better with an Optima. Thank goodness for Otley Model Sport:) (Do they still exist? Will have to google them)

:D:D:D Try looking here http://www.modelsport.co.uk They are a bit bigger than you remember them.

I love causing controvesy!:D

Does anybody know if you can still get the little rubber bands that hold the wing onto a Procat? I'm also going to need the rubber bands that hold the crash back system in place.

Go see your local plumbers merchant/diy shop. Black O-rings are usually only 10 or 20 p each;)

Thanks,

I have another question. Are all tyres the same diameter in 10th scale buggies? My Procats wheels are what I believe are the old size. Do they still make tyres to fit?

Yes, You can buy 2.0 inch tyres still from Schumacher. Modern tyres are 2.2 inches Diameter. HTH.

Tires
 

The other alternative is to buy a new set of tires and cut and shut, as its pretty simple to do.

Stu maybe your idea is the best, maybe we should have a one day eventer where we have pre 1990 in their own races and pre 95 in theirs as well. It will make the event more interesting wouldnt it and also you should get a few more people turning up. At least i know my prototype is pre 95, or are protoypes not allowed?

Just have different classes.

85-89
90-95
and 96-2000

run 2wd and 4wd in the same class.


I'm not that up on the years that cars came out, what year did the procat come out?

ignore that, I've just read the other posts.:rolleyes:

Event
 

Guys,

Here is a good point.

As most of the cars that will be raced are either rare and lets face it bits will be very hard to source, will the event be better suited for an indoor carpet race? or better still an event like at the regionals in nottingham where the surface was a green rubber surface.

Just a though, I mean why would we want to get them dirty?

The previous series was indoors, on carpet and wood floor

Well in that case im in for this.

Telboy has the right idea and maybe we shoudl go with his idea. Im for it, and the manual on my zxs was in 95 yet the car was made well before that so im in the 90-95 bracket

Me too! I'll be using a Lazer ZXR which I guess is the same era 90 - 95..

the reason i said that is because I'd like to run something like a mantaray or topforce and send me back to my starter days, but they're too new for a pre 90's vintage class.

I started with a hornet (showing my age). Rubber washes for dampers, 1 cm wide front wheels and the entire gearbox and motor unsprung. I see you can still buy them too.

Hehehe a hornet, they were fun. I had a Falcon as a starter, but I spent a while driving my mates hornet before getting it. I also had a Lunch Box and that was highly amusing on red gras.

I think it would be a better event if they had at least two categories, and this would be more fun and as these cars are no longer being built and lets face it 1995 is 12 years old and thats very old in rc racing.

Right, are we talking about racing at York indoors on a Saturday night? Racing from 6pm to 11pm?

If so, lets have an idea of who will support the series and what cars they would like to run, as last year we only had enough people to run one heat even though lots of people said they would come. :(

G

Can't remember what my first car was, but i know i have a frog, boomerang, pb mini mustang and maxima, cat xls's and an optima mid turbo at my parents house. There may even be a tub chassied ultima there too. Have to make time too dig them out and do a bit of resto work!! (like to see a vintage meet some time in wales!!)

Sounds like you could run your own meet with all that lot, just need some hired thumbs

I started with a Falcon, still got bits of it, and bits of my old chain drive optima.

I'll be in the vintage series again G, running the Procat. Lets get a sensible rule about motors as well.

19 turns? :confused:

G

14 turns if its a proper vintage motor :cool:

I've just got an LRP 'Pink E' off of EBay :)

G