Does this mean race control can tell you when you are about to burn something out :woot:

Thats all very well and nice, but most people are interested in HOW MUCH WILL THEY COST!!

You're a big tease Rob - so, there's a new PT coming that we'll all want? I have to say, having a PT is the 'best thing ever' now I have one, but even with a mates-rate from where I got it, it was still a big investment at the time. I don't know how much they are now but realisticly I think they need to come in under 50 quid for us cheap-ass electric off road guys.

Realistically they won't be under £50, I doubt it'll even be cheaper than the current PT.

Think of the outrage if the new one was released with a cheaper price and people have just been rinsed for £100+ on an older model....

So, the telemetry thing is illegal? So the race director can know things, but you can't :cry: What's the point? :confused:

G

Its only illegal for our nationals and regionals if they wish to choice to abide by that rule. Club races its fine and so are other none BRCA meetings aslong as the race officials will alloow it.

A

Is it illegal, I thought it was only if you could adjust things, on the fly that was illegal, will have to dig out the BRCA manual and look.

right rob you got me spinning around and i dont know now what to do:confused:
i was just about to buy a pt:thumbsup: but now should i wait or should i go and get one:confused: it realy comes down to price and how many theres going to be and if it will be out before xmas. now stop being a tease and put us out of our missery :p

Ginge

the brca rule is you can transmit information to your car but you can`t receive any data or info back from your car

i think thats about it

If they were £40 i think everyone would have one, thats around the price mark they need to be I reckon

Will they be out before christmas Rob and would these be able to have cloned numbers to our existing pt's like mrt do?

nearly chalky, your cars electrics can not tramsmit data to an external source, it does not specify its to the driver/pitman etc.

i would think the BRCA are going to need to clarify this new bug is going to be legal.

ROb does it transmit via radio waves or wireless signal??

It is not allowed to use any form of active telemetry, which in the opinion of the event officials or steward, is judged to give a competitor an advantage during any race. Therefore, it is not allowed for any radio/wireless signals to be transmitted from the car to an external source during a race, that is judged by the officials to give the driver a competitive advantage during that particular race.

So you can transmit radio signals - just as long as they aren't read live.. Or you can stream MP3's from your rc if you like.

I think this is the most annoying thread I've ever read

reading it all pt's are a benifit to the racer for that race, as its counting your laps.........., kind of contradictory!!

Perfect marketing as you're remembering

More annoying that Stampy?

"Harry also sends its operating voltage and temperature as part of the ID"

Transponders are a Radio Frequency ID device, so its transmitted by radio waves.

If yours cars electrics are not allowed to transmit data by radio waves, then essentially our current PT's are illegal (your PT is part of your car electrics and the ID number is data).

Unless your pitman assembles his own loop over/under the track and invests 2K in a decoder kit then the information is only available to race control.

I suppose the usefulness of this is for investigating miss counts / duff transponders, especially for the 1 cell lipo racers. Race control will be able to tell if miscounts are being caused by low voltage to transponder - normally caused by fatigued wire, or in the case of 1 cell lipo could be BEC voltage dip.

Being able to read voltage with lap counts would be really great for handout transponders as you could monitor for a transponder with a battery on its way out. So substitute it before it goes duff in somebodies race.

All good if the price really is going to be half! :p

I would think that the telemetry rule, is more aimed at the 8th market, engine temp etc, or maybe 12th, with 8 min running and managing batteries, but, as you are not allowed to coach your driver either...... it is a very grey area.

It could be used as a data logging device...

Am I the only one with a BRCA handbook?
 

2009 handbook (printed) page 15, rile 10, paragraph 3.
"It is not allowed to use any form of active telemetary, which in the opinion of the event officials or stewards, is judged to give a competitor an advantage during a race. Therefore, it is not allowed for any radio/wireless signals to be transmitted from the car to an external source during a race, that is judged by the officials to give the driver a competitive advantage during that particular race.

(not sure I'm 100% agreed on the Therefore but that is another issue AND NOT FOR THIS THREAD!)

So...............................

You can't find out how much juice is still in the tank, or indeed monitor voltage, if that is judged to be a competitive advantage.

BUT................................

Race control monitoring (but not disclosing) voltage would not break this rule and would be a distinct advantage for marshal safety.

Re data logging, note the word DURING. No problem getting lots of post race info.

If my handbook is so rare, maybe I should put it on Ebay, or maybe you should all remember where you put your copy.

So are the new transponders going to be £15 inc P+P or what? lol
:drool: :thumbsup:

i have one and i qouted off the brca online one????

rob the bit in bold
in my ic car you notice the reciever pack voltage is down, how is that going to help the saftey of the marshal??, unless you tell me or ask me to pull of the track,(which im not going to do with dam good reason) but by doing that your giving me info transmitted by my car,
see what i mean?

nope, your not the only one, I have 4 here, and read the online one too.

"Black flag car 7, indicated voltage below x volts" or "Warning to marshals, Car 7 indicates a low voltage and may loose control" or maybe "Videos on car 7, this might be good" or after the race "Car 7 check your receiver power supply". Hardly a driver advantage either way.

Depends on how the risk of low voltage is assessed. Maybe it is of no use whatsoever.

Going to eat now, next update bright and early tomorrow.

lol rob i like the car 7 may loose control, you can shout that every run with my driving :D

I have a DX3s and i have the temperature wire set up arund the motor in my b4, will i be able to keep it there for regionals or what? :confused:

Yes you can cool, this rule was set toward 1/8th nitro only, as someone thought that while you are racing you can read what it says on your hand set....As if I've got enough on looking at me bloody buggy never mind that. I doubt anyone can give off the readings that are coming up on their hand sets while they are racing flat out.

well ive got it on there only to see how the batteries get at the end of the race

i disagree mallet as a regional offroad meeting would use the brca "general rules" so it would not be allowed

all sections have to comply to general rules, and its NOT just 8th

taken from the Handbook read the red bit
http://www.brca.org/BRCA/library/BRCA2009.pdf

expect to see a totally different handbook layout this year ;)

It is accepted that all BRCA members have read the rules, contained within this publication, understand them, and agree to be bound by them during the period of their membership.

general rules ban any telementry, so i would think practice only, race meeting nope as above post all sections have to use general rules and as a brca regional is a santioned meeting general rules apply

I was just answering what I was told by someone who was at the BRCA meeting and was arguing about this situation. He then told us that it was just aimed towards the 1/8th national nitro buggy and truggy meetings.

I know what it says in the book, as I keep doing same as you, telling people to read and abide the rules.

nope 10th ic ban it too as do snoring cars, as you know if its in the book, its there for a reason....... hence the new look hand book due this year

hmm i guess i will be taking it out then :thumbdown:

I put a stopwatch on my handset for 8th so I know when I am going to need to pitstop.


Have yet to successfully read the watchface without crashing....

Yeah it true Dave. Just try racing with your eyes watering you can crash twice a lap :woot::woot:

well its early ,but not that bright in sunny bradford.

Foggy in Durham

its always sunny in bournemouth:thumbsup:

Ginge

Wakey, Wakey Rob.... I first checked in on here at 6:15am - Bright and early... And still nothing :lol: