That's interesting, I wonder if the electric cars punish the tyres more in so much as they generate maximum torque from a standing start? Nahh, I'm probably talking out of my backside..:D

I dunno...I think you may have something there.

They're lighter and accelerate much quicker...it's bound to put a lot of stresses on the tyres.

my opinion on this is.....

I am forced to run Schuey tyres at a meeting, in fact we all are, why can't we all get some discount???

I'm not saying we should have an open tyre rule, as I find this a pain in 8th!!
Yes no one forces us to run new tyres, but you have to at times to be competitive, it would just be nice to have them a little cheaper!

well said jase wot do top drivers pay for em about 2 an half quid a set oops the cats out the bag:D

I think retail is dear for tyres, in fact I was grumbling on another thread recently....

however, a look back in time shows in 1988 Schumacher tyres cost £6.30 a pair. Think about that for a while :o

Now I remember why I found it hard to persue it as a hobby when I was a wee lad !

but cells don't cost much more now, and you can get away with the cheaper range for most things, and have gone through countless evoloutions of developement, same for motors (to an extent) and cars, but the humble minispike is still the same design but we now got Yellow compound....

Back in 98 or 99, at the 1/10th off road Euro's Teeside they used medial pro tyres. These cost something stupid like £2-3 a pair!!!!!
Perhaps Nick Goodhall and lee martin would remember ?????
What ever happened to them ??

I remember the Medal pro from the Teeside Euros. They needed a lot of work before they could be used. Cut down the side walls and take a row of spikes off to reduce the diameter.

I'm sure that I've a few pair arount somewhere.

Can't remember the cost of the Medial Pro at Teeside, but they were cheap.
(Sure had to be for people to try them rather the mini-spikes.)

But never heard anything from Medial Pro in 1/10 scale after the Euros.

MiCk B. :-)

I remember cutting spikes for hours (litteraly:eh?: ) but it was worth the pain.

Medial Pro lost interest in 1/10 (off-road and TC) circa 2000. They say the market is/was too small and very competitive for them. Maybe with the revival of 1/10 we will see them again ? Not that I miss cutting spikes...:D

Molds are still here and I think that if you ask nicely (and want to buy like 100 sets) they can make them for you.
http://www.medialpro.com/

Time to let the cat out of the bag I guess. A well-known tyre manufacturer is developing an alternative tyre for the Schum mini-spike. I hope they succeed. But like someone else on here said, the real challenge will be getting the compound just right.

It's not just the minispikes either. In the winter season, when racing on grass or gym floor, it's mini pins, same story.

We've allowed Medial Pro Crysp for our national series this year. As a 'budget' tyre. Works OK, doesn't wear AT ALL.

The joys of having a monopoly on the UK tyre market :wtf:

At least when you buy a set of losi or proline tyres you get some foam inserts too, so the slight increase in price in justified.

RipOFF!

Hahaha :D

I have absolutely no idea if this would work, but is the material used to make the tyres recycleable? IE can the manufacturers use the old tyre material again to make a new tyre?

Exactly why i've always hated racing on rubber tyres. Performance goes off quickly and they're expensive. Unfortunately in off road you ain't got any other option.

Oh the joys of 12th circuit, pre glued tyres that get better as they wear down!

I wish there was another choice. :(

G

PS Cheese is the future!

academy splendids graham :)

They were indeed 'Splendid'. Who imports Acadamy now? :confused:

G

not sure,it was helgar wasnt it?
think they got fed up of getting the same runaround treatment we got :(

Bet they'd be £7 a pair anyway. :(

G

What would everyone consider to be a reasonable amount to pay for a pair of tires assuming equal performance and wear to Schuey yellows?

Don't say £1 :D

Totally depends on duration. I wouldn't mind over £50 a pair if it's fit and forget for the season.
If it's a set a run then closer to that pound - and then some back for returning the bald carcass. :)

EDIT: After wasting most of this afternoon on tyre prep for Tiverton some pre-mounts would be cool...

A fiver with inserts?

I'm sorry but I think most of you are being very unfair to Schumacher over the cost of tyres. They are not ripping you off and it is not a conspiracy to exploit the market for maximum profit.

Are you saying you can't afford £8 a pair? Probably most of you can especially if you are already running at the sharp end of regional and national competition, and travelling hundreds of miles most weekends. For a club runner that £8 pair of tyres will last half a season.

Is £8 a pair overpriced within the market? Clearly not, as every other tyre is around the same price or slightly more

Is anyone forcing you to buy Schumacher product? Most of the time no, as there are alternative tyres that can be used. The only people forcing you to buy more tyres are yourselves through your desire to be competitive.

Just because Schumacher have, on this occasion, paid for their mould many times over from tyre sales, doesn't mean they should cut the price to £2 a pair all of a sudden. What about the tyre types and compounds that they still produce but hardly anyone buys? If it really rains one day in the year and the call goes out for blue full spikes then everyone expects them to be available. I wouldn't be surprised if they lost money on several of the tyre moulds they have made over the years. And remember they have about 40 employees (plus hundreds of trade customers worldwide) that need to put food on the table, the tyre sales are probably a reliable income for the company in an unreliable market.

the moulds are the same for the different compounds, only different for carcass/spike design.

I don't think anyone is calling for them to be cheap cheap, but hey, chuck inserts in would be a help.

From what i have read there are various issues from what i can see. If someone said to me you can go and race on 1 set of tyres all day i would see that as super cheap. £25 on tyres aint too bad.when you have to put new boots on every run to be competitive it gets expensive. But like sosidge says it is peoples competitiveness that makes it expensive along with the brca rules.
If the brca made a rule of 1 dry set of tyres and a wet combo per track per day and mark them up at booking in then with round by round qualifying everyone would be in the same boat. Plus it would be cheap racing.

I have been racing touring cars for years and my tyre bill most years has been well over £1500 for a summer series, you boys should count your self lucky:D;).

£1500 a season!!!! Jeeezzz :eh?:

Sosidge - I couldn't agree more.

Great reading :)

i think its not schumachers fault as its supply and demand but a fiver a set would be a fair price and the same for all other manufacturers because a set of prolines in the us cost roughly a fiver with inserts:D

I would personally like to see Schumacher do what Proline and Losi do with there tyres and put foams in with them and Keep the price around the £7-£8 price tag.

Has any body contacted Schumacher to see what they have to say?

Probably tell us to p-off as then theyd be lessening their profit. I know for a fact if i ran a business i'd be looking to make as much profit as possible.

Tyres are reasnoably expensive, but as has been said before, it depends on how competitive you want to be.

Personally, have just run about 12 weeks worth of indoor buggy racing on ONE set of yellow mini-pins....the steering was something of an issue towards the end though, but i can't think why!

I have just bought a set of yellow minispikes for the outdoor racing - i'll be looking to get two possibly three weeks out of the rears and probably 3-4 weeks out of the fronts, so it's not really a big cost for me.

I usually run blue's all round all round, and they last a bit longer!

Yes, but business like RC isn't about making MXIMUM profit from a unit sale, it is a two way street, as if they look after the racer, the racer will continue to buy their product. If they ignore the wishes of the customer and then an 'alternative' is found, then you can kiss customers goodbye.

The American firms have a better idea, as they are their own distributor, the price reflects this, Schumacher are the same for UK/Europe but thier price is reflective of an importer like CML.

That's in the perfect scenario though steve, as said, schumacher have no competitors, so if anything was asked for us to have a gain then i'd bet theyd say no, untill they were given a run for their money that is, from another company.

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arent they gonna redesigned anyway cus haveu seen them balloon with the brushless motors we use me thinks they are going to shred:mad:

Bert: it was the same on road, we used to have to belt the inside of the tyres too stop them ballooning and then splitting, plus the car will become very unstable when the tyres are ballooned

the only thing is that schumacher like said in this thread are making a killin on the old tooling used for these tyres and do schumacher make them because years ago they had sorex on them i presume they are bought in from the far east l:o

The issue with on-road rubber, is that if you make the tyre too thick, it takes an age to warm up, then overheats.....

If there is an issue with mini-spikes, then either people find another tyre or complain.