Easy answer is come race at last round of oople winter series.
You won't pay till get a place and entry is not like figuring out how to brake the enigma code like the brca website. :thumbsup:

You know what you lot need to get over it it the booking opened at 7 first come first serve you go on line you fill details in you pay your fee if you were in the first 130 you got a place if not you'll no doubt get a refund.

I'm looking forward to the meeting I'm in only raced there once about 3 year ago my biggest issue is should I buy or make a shock tower protector my hotel is booked and paid for happy days

I'll see the other 129 drivers at the meeting and hopefully beat as many as possible

Have fun all

I will

Stu

Where is the last round?

Chadderton in oldham

Stu,
Not a very helpful answer. I probably like many others have entered for both classes and after having the entry accepted and paid for in full have gone and booked a hotel room for two nights to then later find that my son has been allocated a place for 4wd and is on the reserve list for 2wd.

I knew that I'd be on the reserve list as when I entered my details into the system it told me that the places had been filled. The last time we attended BWOC was in 2013 and booking in was done through central booking so instantly you could see who had entered and who was on the reserve list. This made the process transparent and more importantly you knew that you were in and then could arrange digs.

Lee

Come up Simon :thumbsup:

What a load of bullshit !!!

People booking in well before 7, very few national A finalists in the long 2wd reserve list.
Oversubscribed at 7.05.....even Justin Beiber tickets don't sell out this quick !!
First come come first served

Bullshit !

Really

what has national A finalists not being on the reserve list got to do with anything? There is no published list of confirmed entries yet - for all you know there could be no National A finalists who booked in in time.

Approved electrics list.
 

Hi guys.

Just wondering if anyone had a list of the approved electrics (batteries and motor) please.

Cheers

I find it incredible that many listen to so much bull and actually believe it.
If you want to know facts then ask the right people.
I took on the PRO job to inform people of what is what and how things happen but I cannot entertain people assuming and causing a stir instead of quoting facts.

Things like the system crashed are utter rubbish.

Anyways, whos Justin whoever his called anyway!!!
Where did 7.05 come from?
And the list goes on.....

Ask sensible question then I will be more than happy to answer

Aside from the odd troll, most people understand that the event is popular and so oversubscribed..

The communications (emails and requests for payment etc) have been a little confusing however, so think this has caused some frustration.

Can we request refunds now? No point in waiting to see if 70 plus people drop out!

Hi Adam

70 doesn't sound good obviously!
We cannot do any transactions at the moment as PayPal randomly limited the account thinking we are a money laundering outfit.
Obviously refunds and so on will be given as soon as possible as competitors request to be deleted from the reserve list.
I would suggest staying on it for now.

The reserve list will be updated through the coming weeks and that can be found on the section website
www.brca10thoffroad.co.uk

Hi Tony

What is the format of each day?
2 x practice
4x qualie
1x final

Tony,

Just sent you a oOple and Facebook PM

Cheers
Derek

Okay,
Now I'm starting to get upset !
Checked this morning I'm 3rd reserve in 4wd
And thinking yeah after paying out for entries in both 2wd, 4wd and a hotel !
I might just get an entry for my money.

This afternoon, I'm 4th reserve.

HOW ?? 😡

I feel very cheated, and at the point that there is no point to racing as a "hobbyist"

Okay,
Now I'm starting to get upset !
Checked this morning I'm 3rd reserve in 4wd
And thinking yeah after paying out for entries in both 2wd, 4wd and a hotel !
I might just get an entry for my money.

This afternoon, I'm 4th reserve.

HOW ?? 😡

I feel very cheated, and at the point that there is no point to racing as a "hobbyist"

That is correct with 3 leg A Finals - just like the Nationals


Colin
This is my mistake and I apologise.
I had an email well before the reserve list was printed and I misunderstood it. I now had to correct the reserve list by time of entry and this is now correct. Again I apologise, this is purely my error.
Fingers crossed you're in

Just my thoughts.....
 

Hi,

I've just read this thread, I'll point out I'm a bystander because i don't want an entry but i know many who do and they all feel the booking in was, I'm sorry to say but, rigged, in favour of high profile racers. Its understandable because the elite always seem to get an entry in both classes whilst Joe Average struggles to get one.

My reason for posting is I recently experienced something similar and its annoying. If there is an agreed process, stick to it without exception.

So to end all the arguments, is it not possible to get a report from the booking in system, filter it to name and entry time, then post it. If DPA is an issue, then fine but have the data hard copy at all the summer nationals to prove its fair for all. And last point, if its not and some do get to book in early, be open about it and why. People will understand.

Don't mean to agree with anyone, or cause any offense. Just posting observations.

Very well said

I feel peoples frustrations.
I can and I repeat what I told people before, all entries are in timed order. Down to the second not that the seconds made any difference.
The word 'rigged' is an insulting word but I understand you have to use some sort of word but I am part of that organisation that sees the entries so its sort of personal.
Any of you guys are more than welcome to do this PRO job and at this moment in time it feels I want to give it up. I have repeatedly stated its by time of entry. There is no one apart from cancellations that is NOT in the event and replaced as clearly you are suggesting.
I do not get a free hand in doing what I want.
If it was my meeting and you can all quote me on this, I would print the CSV file downloaded from the booking in system and say there you have it.
The BRCA doesn't allow this historically. You don't see National entries and so on. Its how its been for as long as I can remember. I would like to change this and it will be addressed at the appropriate committee meetings and decided upon by a group of people that actually care a lot for our sport.
The same way as we now have on-line booking in as before we never did. The same way that we now accept PayPal when before it was just cheques.
Meanwhile, I have to do what I am allowed to do AND PLEASE NOTE, that it doesn't include lies. What I have told you are facts

I hope that's good enough as I cannot at this stage do anymore for you all.

Applogies accepted Tony, and thank you for your reply.

Hi Tony,

To try and help you with future registrations it might be worth placing something on the booking form that the racer has to click an accept to in the T&C's stating that their name and time of entry will be published and by accepting entry then that is part of it. Thereby mitigating the responsibility for the BRCA as the person has consented.

As for publishing times, I appreciate the DPA is there so please be aware that should anyone request the data that is pertinent to them, and in most cases only pertinent to them, then there is a legal stipulation that it must be supplied by the data owner within 40 days.

Hi Tony,

Not getting at you in anyway, just the process if anything.

As a constructive suggestion why don't you have a word with the onroad side and use the booking in system on the BRCA site. I do 12th nationals and it couldn't be simpler or any more transparent.

That would solve this problem, or at least stop it reoccurring, and make your life so much easier.

I am struggling to understand what the problem actually is and who you are all actually talking to to be assuming something is wrong.

There is nothing wrong with the booking in system. It has worked perfect in every way.
It produces the right information and can be uploaded straight into the BBK program as a CSV file and is very simple to use.
The error is mine in asking for instant payment. I should of asked for the payments afterwards - nothing more or less. I accept that was an error on my part. When it got to over 200 entries I put a stop to accepting payments but every entry has been received and some that didn't get a chance to pay have had requests to pay. If they don't pay, they get deleted. Simples the next person on reserve moves up. There is nothing complicated in that.
If competitors didn't book in early enough I cannot help that. Plenty of names with high status that didn't get in. And yes they have moaned at me - Lots too!! There is an argument without the top top drivers present it becomes more like a club meeting rather than the British Winter Open Championship and certainly doesn't have the stature that it clearly deserves.
For these reasons I am sure there will be changes in the future. How we accept entries in the future has to be looked at if its going to be this popular. Nothing was lost or anything like its been insinuated. I repeat the system itself is as right as can be.

Who we allow in the event is the questions you should all be asking.
Some things to think about.....
Maybe some of the National drivers will be on an invitation scenario. Maybe not.
Maybe all F1 drivers get an entry. Maybe not.
Maybe only top 3 only get invited. Maybe top 10. Maybe not
Maybe keep as it is - everyone would know next time for sure. Maybe not.
Maybe if a person books in for both classes they get priority, maybe not.
I can go on and on what is possible and what isn't. The fact is 250 individual entries ALL booked in fine through the system and ALL are logged in with the order they booked in.
Making statements like use another booking in system makes people think there is something wrong when in fact nothing is wrong.

I may be quoting out of turn here but as far as i can remember it's been the most successful initial entries to this event, EVER!! Somehow because obviously some competitors didn't get in, it's been turned on its head to already be some sort of disaster. Its laughable really.

I have full faith in the Silverstone Buggy Club will no doubt lay on a great track and they will no doubt make the meeting be a very successful one.

Next year it will be even bigger and I invite clubs that feel they have the capability to run it, to apply for it. A simple email to me to run the event is all that is needed. [email protected] as if you didn't know!

Meanwhile I will go back to the insultive emails, texts and rude comments that I have lived with over the Christmas period (yes I have plenty) and keep trying to do the PRO job that I took on.

I would be happy to answer any questions you have


Lastly for those that keep asking for the list to be posted as it came in with times!! I ask what is the point of that when clearly I could manipulate the times if I wanted to. Its a silly request and for that reason it probably will never be posted. The people that know me, know I speak truthfully and the people that wish to stir, will stir

Laters all, I have some work to do

Have to say that I am not a top level national driver and been back to off road since a sabbatical doing the on road racing.
But I did what it said and booked in and got in as well as two of my mates,all paid and hotel booked.
Yes I know I won't be a Lee Martin or Neil cragg at this game but I do it for Fun.
I would like to have clubs near my door step that can put on these meetings each week my closet one is 1.5 hrs away at best.
But I am looking forwards to this by miles
Thanks to all who are involved because I don't think they get paid for it....

I very rarely reply to any on-line forums as things often get taken out of context but I feel compelled to reply to this forum. From what I am led to believe Tony has taken on his role voluntarily for the love of the hobby, for him to receive insulting or derogatory messages is out of order and totally uncalled for. The vast majority of us compete at this sport for fun, there are a quite few who compete professionally, but the overriding reason for us doing what we do is for fun. I understand peoples' frustrations at not getting a place for this prestigious event but really are the insults and other messages directed at Tony really called for.

BWOC 2016 Entry list
 

On BRCA website this morning......

http://www.brca10thoffroad.co.uk/201...serves-2wd4wd/

Updated list on the 10th section website

If anyone sees this, could I have a refund please, 67th reserve so not much chance I will be racing. Thankyou

The entry listing is changing all the time for this event so please keep a regular look out - catch up soon

www.brca10thoffroad.co.uk

Thinking of pulling out of the event and have a hotel room for 2 nights if anyone is interested.

hi,
have a family hotel room on the friday night, £30 if anybodys interested ?

Can my name be removed from the list and ask for a refund please?
If anyone knows of the correct place to ask please let me know.
Cheers

Email Tony at [email protected]
to be removed

Colin - I have done for you but please people email rather than messages as I really don't get on here that often - thanks all and see you most there - Tony E

Shock protecters
 

Hi all
anyone looking for shock protecters for the BWOC, I will have some with me.

Unfortunately I won't be there on saturday, I'm only booked in for the sunday

Take a look here:
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthre...810#post939810

Thanks for looking

Sam

Shock Protectors
 

Do we need to provide out own shock protectors guys? Last time Silverstone provided people with them.

Many Thanks

yes you do, how ever the club MAY have some for sale if you ask.