it's a running update, Was introduced in 22SCT kit so they have been available since last August/September

same outdrive, just face where drive ring sits has been machined so it's perfectly flat

The machined plates have been available as part of the complete ball diff kit TLR232000 but if the manual is stating TLR2955 for the outdrives alone then I suspect it's been introduced as an interchangeable running change which means there will be mixed stocks of the old and new versions for a while.

Functionally there is little difference - I've not noticed any performance difference between the machined and non-machined outdrives but theoretically the new ones will be flatter.

I'm happy using either - I have one of the 'new' diffs and one of the old (i always carry a spare) and I can't feel any difference once they're both run in and adjusted correctly but maybe I'm just getting old ;-)

Rear motored too on the Worlds track !

Dustin Evans finished 3rd, running a mid-motored 22 2.0 :thumbsup:

That alone makes it worth buying the V2.0! Needing 4 hands when removing the mid-motor gearbox is really the only thing that's made me swear repeatedly with the 22. :)

So they tested bell cranks and they was better on high grip but it was too late to include it in the kit!!!

Will it be an option part ?

Such a shame theyre releasing this new update and have completely ignored the european market with pretty much every person whos rsn this car have all said the motor needs to be nearer to the outdrives rarther than the country mile it currently is.

The motor position is a myth and an excuse for drivers not being able to set up weight balance in a car using suspension or ballast... when 22 was released it was a noticable difference to other available cars so blamed for the cars handling quirks... all of which come from front end geometry.

Rudebits DB1, Team C TM2 and the 2/4WD Hybrids used at last national... how far away are their motors from outdrives?

what would you wish to achieve by having motor sat next to outdrives?

bellcranks is the key for making this model more driveable on high grip tracks with spikes and fake grass and glad TLR have at least acknowledged it and got bits in the works

Yep, lets hope the 22 V2.0 EU is here soon lol

I run a 22 and I am happy to attribute handling issues to my own inability to drive well as well and my set-up ineptitude. You'd never catch me pretending to know more than the Losi technical team. I'd rather judge a car by how it performs in the hands of the pros than my own hands.

I've never ran the car, nor wish to.. im expressing opinions of most people I know who have ran one and own one.
As already said, its a shame its not been taken on board as its a well known complaint - and off putting to others as its the first thing that's said about the car when spoken about.

If Frecklychimp is right and it is merely a myth, then I think there's a good chance that Losi did take it into account and concluded that the European public didn't know best.

That was just the talk of those that are looking to "Buy Speed."
They weren't fast with their previous buggy, they weren't fast with the 22, and they weren't fast with their next buggy.

They're the same chaps that come on forums like this looking for set-ups. They don't spend the time working with their cars, trying things so they know how the car reacts - and instead try and rely on others' set-ups, regardless the fact they're not racing on the exact same surface, and regardless the fact their driving style isn't the same as those they're copying.


:thumbsup:

But that is precisely what many of the geometry changes in the 2.0 addressed - higher grip surfaces - while maintaining the adjustability to lower traction surfaces that 90% of the rest of the world races on. ;)

Hopefully it will help, USA are slowly coming to the mid cars now! At the last few ROAR nats a lot were running mid cars, especially the AE team with the centro!

The flip side of this whole argument, you should take a read of any of the U.S. forums. Most of the club level racers, whose tracks aren't high traction, and all pitching a fit over the (sugared) nats track.

Interesting fact, the lad that won the 2wd mod class was running a sort of "in-between" or hybrid car - rear motored, but using most of the other 2.0 upgrades.
As you can see (below) he'd brought a mid-motored car with him, and ran it during practice, and finally settled on his rear-motored car for the race because he said he was more consistent and could be more aggressive driving it.
As Cavalieri and Evans showed with the Centro 4.2 and Mid 22 2.0, they could get in faster flyer laps but it was hard to drive them lap after lap that way.


End of the day, no car is perfect out of the box. Never have been, never will. I've appreciated the running changes they've made over the last 2+ years, from 4mm steering knuckles to fixing the diff, and the 2.0 is just the next step in this progression. :D

I did that mod over a year ago with a drill bit, countersink tool and a 3mm tap:P

It so nice to see that TLR have taken all the small details we all automatically alter for the better, and just done it for us! Love it!

so all these changes :) will it work for us normal mortals ???????? that is the question

Oh yes for sure.

I can't comment for the entire 2.0 package but for sure, the revised front geometry has a very positive effect on the driveability of the car - making it easier to push with and making it easier to go faster with.

Some of the changes are aimed at making it easier to work on and whilst the shock upgrades will improve the shock performance, it is the front end changes that will make the most significant feeling change over the 1.0

Wished I had stayed with my 22. Loved how strong the car was ! Must admit I did jump to early and should have stuck it out. Other than forward drive which people contributed to the motor position , I thought it was more to do with the slipper. I thought It had a very narrow window of adjustment. Glad they have changed this.

I think a lot of people wanted the 22 soo badly that it was easy to overlook that as a new platform, it was always going to take time to understand it and to develop a good set up understanding to work from.

The 22 has always been that - a 22 and it drives like a 22 - not like anything else and it is only natural that during it's early development people would focus on what it didn't do comapred to their old rides as opposed to focussing on what it could do that the others couldn't.

The motor position debate has been rumbling on forever but for all those people who want it moved, I'd just like to point out that for every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction and having a design that creates so much forward drive on power is also going to exhibit those same characteristics every time you hit the throttle - even mid way through a sweeper - is that what you really want? Really??.
I can't stop the debate but I'm more than happy that I understand the 22 platform well enough for me to set my car up and for it to be a competitive overall balance that enables me to race to the best of my ability. I'm also confident that I understand it far more now than I did 3 years ago when we first turned some practice laps in the Autumn of 2010 over here.

The 2.0 changes do make that adjustment window wider though - our testing has demonstrated this and Darren has been running part of the new geometry for longer than most people realise;) So if the original was a little too difficult to get right for all conditions then I'm sure that the 2.0 changes will make it more forgiving and easier.

Remember though, they're all only as fast as the driver...

The 22 had a serious impact on 2WD class when released and gets overlooked IMO...

sudden shock announcement had the definite wow,"want" factor, it was a good slimline looker, cheap, mid & rear config in same box, sexy big bore shocks, ti-nitride bits, aluminium chassis and pivot blocks, lots of tuning options included, brought shorty LiPo's and low profile servo's into mainstream class use, lwb as standard and it came at a time when nothing else was fresh released as such so was definitely the trend to jump on it!

This new updated version looks awesome, when you consider all the upgrades and improvements it's virtually a brand new car with the established TLR high quality and robust strength.

With the recently rumoured 4WD platform i think TLR's time has come, really hope it brings in some more UK top drivers to the team as this speeds up development and helps everyone with the cars to improve.

I'm in :thumbsup:

If the most crucial updates are on the front suspension then perhaps a way to achieve most of the gains from the V2 platform is to just buy the front end upgrades? Thoughts? Losi 22 1.5?

Rear wishbones are recommended, extra inside mounting hole is a past DIY mod that is a good tuning aid,

The new battery brace is only thing i don't like look of as not a fan of mounting speedo up high but i'm pretty sure it will help brace motor guard/gearbox... since i've bent top gearbox screw in past through chassis flex on heavy landing it is a bonus and could offer pointer to future flex tuning hop ups... although velcro is ultra light and simple to use... not carbon fibre bling but not exactly offensive to eyes IMO!

rear hubs will offer different settings too.

tbh getting the full kit has far more advantages overall than just partial upgrades and works out a lot cheaper in long run when you factor in reduced wear rates on new components.

Can already rate the diff upgrades with a big thumbs up from use in 22SCT, silky smooth tungsten balls and much better wear rates on drive rings.

I think I saw on one of the U.S. forums that the team drivers was saying that it's pointless adding the new front end parts (steering knuckles, caster blocks and wishbones) without taking advantage of the new (3-hole) rear wishbones.

I've experimented greatly on ESC mounting, whether it be on the waterfall/tranny brace or flat on the chassis, until I saw someone's modification of the RM ESC mount. While it is high in the car I didn't notice it hurting the handling, and in fact it being amidship in the car I found it better balanced. So perhaps the 2.0 battery hold-down will work out similarly.

I think one of the other biggest changes will be the new shock o-rings and machined spacers. Supposedly they make not only improve the performance of the shocks but also make them leakproof.

But you are right, in the greater scheme of things buying the entire 2.0 kit will prove out more cost effective in the long run.

I was in the process of pretty much selling up 2WD cars and then just thinking of running my existing 4WD car. However I'm sat here thinking maybe give the updated TLR22 2.0 a go and see how I feel.

Reality is I think I only truely enjoy 4WD these days, so equally may leave the TLR22 2.0 until (if) a 4WD arrives.

I never tried a TLR22 and sort of wish I had as they were very good value for money. I suppose too many comments from people saying it's bad etc. As Andy C correctly points out 1) Time to adapt 2) The car is only as good as the driver (which is my downfall). Which is why I think value for money is more important these days for me. I've contacted a shop and they're going to be pricing it at £249.99. Some may argue that it's increased in price too much. Personally I don't know what the pricing of the upgrade parts are, but I'm sure if you got a MK1 22 at the original price and added these parts it'd be more. Some of the current cars in both 2 & 4WD markets are an eye watering amount.

Two cars that I enjoyed over the recent years, Cougar SV and Kyosho RudeBits DB1. Others have just left me thinking, what am I doing this for. Another point from Andy, I think the purchase of these for me and indeed many others will be for the long term. I've been running Kyosho now for circa 2 years before anyone jumps at me.

TBH I'm on the verge of getting my Losi XXCR Kinwald which I ran at the F345s at Coventry running again until the dust has settled, but either way the TLR brand has made me sit up and think.. Currently I've lost what racing is about and in reality not fussed these days.

I would scratch the itch matey and give it a go if you are tempted.

The extra new upgrades still make this a top spec car for price

I've worked on other brands helping others at tracks and in a mates model shop and component quality wise there is a noticable difference, they are so strong and durable in comparison too, parts are reasonable price wise also.

with this you don't need alloy pin braces, to upgrade diff/thrust balls or ti-nitride pins/shafts, buy extra pistons etc out of the box which suddenly bumps up price of others considerably, you'll have a rear motor car to run if wanted too.

22 in rear motor on a wet/damp grass track is a lot of fun!

:thumbsup:

That's awesome :thumbsup:

V true :)

Rear motor, got my XXCR kinwald for that :) with a TP 7.5 in it!

There's no way I could promise you that the 22 2.0 will be the answer to your prayers - nor would I try. I think you have some other questions that you need to find answers to before you commit to anything further.
That said, I like driving my 22 - it's responsive and feels alive. I can change a washer and feel the difference. It's not numb and probably not the easiest car to drive but I find it very rewarding every time I put it on the track and it enables me to feel through the Tx how it is reacting to the track - every corner, every bump etc. I've enjoyed the challenge of finding a good setup and I enjoy trying different things and understanding what they do.

I've long since given up racing to win - that doesn't mean to say that I don't try or I don't want to win but I still enjoy the sheer phenomenon of driving a toy car around a circuit connected only through the miracle of radio waves. Challenging my understanding and seeing if I can record MY perfect lap. It still hurts when I lose but win, lose or draw, the feeling I get from my 22 always puts a smile on my face.

All very valid point. I'm in no rush as won't be racing for a while. F2s at TORCH, no racing as hosting etc.

Add work and other factors

Any idea when ?

They're expected to be here mid/late September. Probably 4-5 weeks from now.

Cant wait :thumbsup:

are the 4wd's on the same boat :p

LOSI
 

I am new to the Losi brand and must say I was very impressed by the Horizon (US) video on YouTube intro for the 2.0.
where is the best place to get a car in the uk and spares back up?
regards

Carb

Usually order my Losi stuff from modelsport, wheelspinmodels and ebay. Depending what is cheaper.

DMS Racing as always will have full complement of spares and parts etc :)

I have just ordered all the 2.0 up grade parts from axex models, as I have most of the alloy parts on the car already it was only £35 to get all the geometry bits. Just got to wait for the order to arrive from the states now.