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hampti 30-09-2012 07:37 AM

Looks really nice but what we want is a new B4.1..... Hopefully they bring out a new 2WD in the next few months.

Adyb 04-10-2012 07:31 PM

So question is are the UK Team using this car winter/next year or sticking with B44.1?

Thanks.

Col 04-10-2012 07:52 PM

No... the REAL question is will a +8mm chassis make everyone from Craggy, Bradders, and BJ all the way down to me quicker? Possibly (although I doubt it) but I'm not willing to spend the best part of £300 to find out

gazhillAE 04-10-2012 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col (Post 700908)
No... the REAL question is will a +8mm chassis make everyone from Craggy, Bradders, and BJ all the way down to me quicker? Possibly (although I doubt it) but I'm not willing to spend the best part of £300 to find out

Il confirm when mine arrives shortly! ;0)

Adyb 04-10-2012 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Col (Post 700908)
No... the REAL question is will a +8mm chassis make everyone from Craggy, Bradders, and BJ all the way down to me quicker? Possibly (although I doubt it) but I'm not willing to spend the best part of £300 to find out

Please read my question again, I did not ask if it would make them quicker I asked if the UK Team are going to be using this car?

Thanks.

gazhillAE 05-10-2012 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adyb (Post 700968)
Please read my question again, I did not ask if it would make them quicker I asked if the UK Team are going to be using this car?

Thanks.

I would be surprised if any of them don't use it as the longer chassis and other additions will help it on the high grip national tracks

discothesnake 05-10-2012 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazhillAE (Post 700986)
I would be surprised if any of them don't use it as the longer chassis and other additions will help it on the high grip national tracks

Will it tho? I thought the idea of a longer chassis was for tracks with less grip? Is'nt that why the longer chassis' were brought out for the worlds etc?

Also, having tried both i am not yet convinced with big bores. Certainly not on our tracks.

Big G 05-10-2012 09:07 AM

Fitted the big bores to my B44.1 last night. Haven't run it yet, but they feel really nice on the bench. The V2 shocks I removed which I thought were spot on felt horrible lol.

Probably new toys syndrome though :D

Jamie B4 05-10-2012 09:25 AM

B44.2
 
Guys

This happens with all new cars - why slag it off before we see what it can do.

Under no illusion that there will be issues but thats what optional parts are for.

Dont need to analyse the price either buy it or dont

But think most of the top guys will run it so setups etc will be available where as the older versions you will have to sort out yourselves

:D

James Pritchard 05-10-2012 11:56 AM

B44.2
 
I wont be selling my B44.1 just yet till i know how good the new car is.
I've ordered a B44.2. I feel some back to back testing coming on!

gazhillAE 05-10-2012 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by discothesnake (Post 701002)
Will it tho? I thought the idea of a longer chassis was for tracks with less grip? Is'nt that why the longer chassis' were brought out for the worlds etc?

Also, having tried both i am not yet convinced with big bores. Certainly not on our tracks.

Disagree

Lwb means:-
More rear traction
More stability in high speed corners
Slower turn in
Better stability in corners
Better over jumps
And so on!

Chrislong 05-10-2012 02:27 PM

.... and stretched Limo parties :woot:

neiloliver 05-10-2012 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrislong (Post 701080)
.... and stretched Limo parties :woot:

LOL.. I am fitting a hot tub and mini bar in my b44.2....

Howler 23-10-2012 06:46 PM

Pre-ordered :)

Howler 02-11-2012 01:21 PM

Anyone running a 44.2 yet? Any setup or build tips? mine's halfway built on the ktichen table at home.

feniks 02-11-2012 05:42 PM

mijne is at the shop sinds wendsday , diddent collect it yet as my 44.1 still dous the job great . will collect next week and maybe build it dont now yet

gazhillAE 02-11-2012 06:12 PM

I've got one and will stick pics up later
There's a few bits to check on build and be careful with the two screws In the front brace mine hadnt been tapped properly.
Gaz

jason-l 02-11-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazhillAE (Post 709878)
There's a few bits to check on build

Could you share more details/build tips on the things to check please, Gaz?

gazhillAE 02-11-2012 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason-l (Post 709898)
Could you share more details/build tips on the things to check please, Gaz?

Will do later !
At work still

bigred5765 02-11-2012 07:52 PM

just finished building one for someone, shocks are ace, but there are a few instructions that are well lets say not to clear, but not really a problem, went together quiet well really,

gazhillAE 02-11-2012 09:31 PM

Don't think I looked at the instructions !!!
Can build these with my eyes closed now!

Teaser here ;0)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...5FA2C0CCF5.jpg

Howler 02-11-2012 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazhillAE (Post 709878)
I've got one and will stick pics up later
There's a few bits to check on build and be careful with the two screws In the front brace mine hadnt been tapped properly.
Gaz

Mine too, the pin retainers wouldnt quite go home. In far enough that they should stay put with threadlock though.

Also one of the big silver pivot balls for the battery tray has no hex in it, completely smooth as if they've forgot to tool it.:cry:

Howler 04-11-2012 05:12 PM

Took it out today for a practice, cold day, but still no excuse for four ball cups shattering in one and a half packs. One shattered as i put the car down, dropped it from about a foot.

FT ballcups on this seem to be super brittle, i replaced them as i went with the standard softer ones and none of those broke. I never even had a really big crash at any point.

dMITIj 12-11-2012 06:55 PM

were to buy rpm ball cups for the 44.2? ore other better than AE ball cups?

best Regards.

gazhillAE 12-11-2012 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dMITIj (Post 712804)
were to buy rpm ball cups for the 44.2? ore other better than AE ball cups?

best Regards.

Jconcepts
Mb models

dMITIj 12-11-2012 08:38 PM

Thanks.

Howler 12-11-2012 08:42 PM

Had the 44.2 out on Sunday for another practice day, with the Jconcepts ball cups. None broke, and i drove much harder this time. In fact nothing broke, pretty happy with that as i wasn't holding back.

gazhillAE 12-11-2012 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dMITIj (Post 712862)
Thanks.

If your in Denmark USA may be a better option?
:woot:

Ron Burgundy 29-11-2012 09:29 AM

So....ran the new car last night.. broke 7 of 12 ballcups... i dont just mean popped off, i mean on landing they disintegrated, no ballcup left only a bare turnbuckle.

My next point is, i am running on carpet, mid grip with slicks and traction compound. Someone could please help me with a setup that would be great.

Standard box setup, longer front camber link, 30wt rear, 35 front, stock springs. Jc hihg clearance wing. The car was super super sensitive on steering, tendency to spin on initial turn in and very unstable down the straight.

Im trying to settle down the steering a bit, but any help either end is much appreciated!!! :)

How bout weight? I added about 50grams centre weight and batteries forward

Cheers!!

Steven Forster 29-11-2012 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Burgundy (Post 717385)
So....ran the new car last night.. broke 7 of 12 ballcups... i dont just mean popped off, i mean on landing they disintegrated, no ballcup left only a bare turnbuckle.

My next point is, i am running on carpet, mid grip with slicks and traction compound. Someone could please help me with a setup that would be great.

Standard box setup, longer front camber link, 30wt rear, 35 front, stock springs. Jc hihg clearance wing. The car was super super sensitive on steering, tendency to spin on initial turn in and very unstable down the straight.

Im trying to settle down the steering a bit, but any help either end is much appreciated!!! :)

How bout weight? I added about 50grams centre weight and batteries forward

Cheers!!


could always try your old V1/V2 shocks for a comparison.........???

Ron Burgundy 29-11-2012 01:03 PM

I could, as right now I am scratching my head as to how to tame it down a bit. Try a sway bar in the front maybe. Anybody have any ideas? Normally you can do a lot with tires but as we are running a control slick, its a little difficult!

What does anyone think of 3deg toe in on the rear?

Fatal1ty 29-11-2012 02:48 PM

The kit ballcups are cr*p, replace them with the RPMs and you are out of problems.

A front swaybar could be the solution for your problems. It calms down the steering all around the corner, and makes it more "round" to drive. On carpet and astro tracks are the swaybars in the front a must have IMO on nearly every car.

What do you mean with very unstable down the straight? Are there some bumps? Try a wing with a higher lip. Gives you more traction, and also slows down the initial turn in.

Cheers

Ron Burgundy 29-11-2012 03:05 PM

hey, yes super "wandery" down the straight if you know what i mean.

Yes I heard the AE cups are rubbish and was waiting for my RPM Cups but only got them today! Let me say it is 100% confirmed do not even bother using them. I wonder if AE know this?

Sway bars im gonna try for sure cheers! :)

Chrislong 29-11-2012 03:28 PM

What amount of rear toe-in are you running?

Ron Burgundy 29-11-2012 04:15 PM

0deg standard Chris

Richard Lowe 29-11-2012 06:08 PM

If you have too much initial steering on carpet try tightening the front diff, going up on the front oil and/or smaller hole front piston and adding washers under the rear inner camber link ballstud in that order :)

Adding any weight between the lipo's will give you more entry steering and less exit steering. It also makes the car land from jumps worse and makes it rotate much more mid-corner.

450kid 29-11-2012 06:39 PM

What does adding washers under the ball stud do?

Ron Burgundy 29-11-2012 06:56 PM

Richard, legend cheers and all the guys here, thank you very much :)

Ron Burgundy 03-12-2012 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 450kid (Post 717510)
What does adding washers under the ball stud do?

Lengthens the link. Makes the rear end roll a little more and what I found, gives you more entry and mid corner grip. One washer makes a huge difference.

Ron Burgundy 04-12-2012 04:26 PM

I am sure I have seen it mentioned somewhere but I wanted to get talk about the new B44.2 front arms compared to the older non webbing style.

I recently ordered some front arms and obviously got the old style. Has anyone discussed discovered the material to be any different. So far the only discernible difference is the small "2" stamped on the new ones with webbing, as opposed to the older "1" stamped on the one without the webbing on the inner.

How do we go about getting the new ones, do we specify we want the new ones, as they are the same part number. Obviously shops have old stock I am guessing, just something for others to look out for!!


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