i would gladly offer to ref any heats when i am there + not racing however for this to work PC definaly needs to go wherever the ref is stationed and also a general aggreement that whatever the ref says goes.

Hi olly
I think you have missed my point some what
Yes the car being lapped should move instantly out of the way costing the quicker car no loss of time at all... That's racing... That's what this club is for ,isn't it.?
If you can't tell who is lapping you then move over for all the cars as that's your fault you can't tell, not my night ruined cause you are not on the ball
If you can't tell then you should ask to be in the bottom heat
( when I say YOU I don't mean litteraly you olly just an example)
My rules idea is to clarify race rules! not enforced! Just if you disobey them you look very silly
I have no feeling in my throttle thumb but I don't expect everyone that races me to tourniquet their thumb lol
Simple rules of racing kept plain and simple
As for people that only go for a bash ..... Ideally don't do it in Any ones race that is there to race .. If you do then take the consequences cause our race stuff costs £££££££&££ and we are sick of you breaking it and smirking off

It's a race club yes?
Then race not tit about
If you want to break your car bring it to me and I will stamp on it for you lol but stop bouncing it off us racers
Oh and olly none of us racers want to hit back markers we want to hit nothing!
That's the point
None of this aimed directly at anyone .... But if the cap fits then change it lol
Cheers

P.S I don't think ref ing is the way to go
I think it will start rows and he didn't give him a penalty cause he is borrowing his stuff etc I can just hear me saying it now lol
Clear sensible rules is the way to go in the favour of the faster car allways!
New clean rules new clean start ready for the winter series
One of the best rules to make us all better drivers is to wait if you collide with someone, as long as it takes .... You will soon learn the hard way to pass cleanly.
Slowing down the marshalling so they are safe and not going to ruin other peoples runs by standing/ kicking etc other cars is a must. That will make you drive more consistently lol with a silent rostrum so no shouting Marshall .... Oh dear on a rant now...... When you shout Mmmmaaaaarrrrrssssshhhhhhaaaaalllllll!!!! Every fappin Marshall looks at them and not the track so then we have more gobing off etc
Come on guys this is just common sense and respect for others!

On the post you did quoted below
Did you mean if they drive over you you will then hold them up deliberately next lap?
Cause if so this is exatly the behavior we don't want for a good night and you shouldn't be racing
I did a tit for tat retaliation this week and was slagged off massively and put down by Hog so we have fallen out big time!

here is a link to week 1 results have a look

http://www.forcc.co.uk/ go to results/week1/heat results/overal heat qualifying.

lets recap what we currently do we have 3 races best two of three to produce the heat listings for next weeks grid slots which is fine now if we look closley at the finishing positions its clear.

we all agree the driving standard is pretty shocking why is this?

if we look at the fastest times from each driver we can see it varies for example alan moon 36 place 20 laps he is 3 to 4 laps faster than the drivers around him in this list ei his next weeks heat so he would be lapping a single car that is 4 laps slower over a run every 5th lap if he had 4 cars in his heat 4 laps slower he would be lapping 4 cars every 5th lap but those 4 car will more likey be on there on piece of track so poor alan would be trying to pass a slower less experienced driver every other corner from lap 5 to lap 20 he would need do 16 overtakes per car(backmarkers) within his 20 laps that is bairing in mind every body in the heat doesn't crash.

now these are not exact figure but im hopping you see the problem

what is the resalution if the format was FTQ the next weeks grid line up would be a true fastest to slowest list yes there will still be a couple of odds for example tom bates who finished 47th which is out of sorts but from what i can see on this particular example he is the only one.

why do we run round by round?


stu

yep looks like it not good there seems to be a group of drivers who think this is ok

News to me Scott! I have no beef with you whatsoever! I'm glad to see this thread has stayed positive and constructive - only good things will come from this.

There were a lot of heated tempers last night for whatever reason. Simply best to chalk it up to experience and move forward using it as a springboard to better things.

We all have enough crap in our lives. Wednesday night should be a little piece of sanctuary from all that.....

Amen to that brother ! :thumbsup:

Our point entirely !

Well Dave unfortunately I have beef with you!
But that beef will have to stew cause I am having a year or two off Rc
Hence why the last 2 weeks I have wanted a fair run
Good luck with face 2

FTQ, much easier to understand, and like myself with 2 runs with a broke car and a second overall, puts me in the C. Tough luck some would say, but it has been pointed out this now gives me and the other 6 regular C drivers a frustrating night, me losing time trying to pass, and them losing time allowing me to pass.

FTD would have finished me 3rd I believe.

I know that last post comes across as a rather selfish view, but my bad luck will implicate on 6 other drivers.

which is acatly what happend to me last week and what will happen to ed next week which is ridiculas

FTQ! Great idea.
And clarity of what we are all doing there!
Racing or socialising?
For me it racing first priority
Then the Socialising second

And funnerly enough that's what happen to me a few weeks back. Oil on track which wrecked the race meeting, broke my car, sod that!!!! Ended up in heat 2 :woot:

FTQ ALL THE WAY!! with proper grid starts EASY

See you in a few years then Scott. Good luck with the family addition and what you choose to do in your spare time until you return.

How about banning reverse?? this causes some problems for all heats.

Its banned at BRCA events

As the club is run at the moment; heat wise not committee..

If you have had a bad evening ie. car not good enough through pace, tyres or setup or you've crashed and your car is broken and you don't have the resources to repair, either through lack of skill or parts etc. You didn't manage to do the standard amount of laps, that you believe you could have done, or for what ever other reason, all three heats have been a complete fail and you've dropped down into a lower heat for the following week then that is YOUR fault!! Learn to drive, learn to overtake, even if you are lapping or learn how to prepare your car better!!!

The following week arrives and you find yourself in the D and not the A, as happened to two drivers last week. Seeing as you are a better driver than the others, in that lowly heat, show us your skill!! Get to the front, lap everybody three maybe four times, challenge for the most laps in an evening but don't expect to get called through all the time just so you can go flat out and try and record the same amount of laps as those in the top heat. Have a little respect for the others in that lower heat who have actually done well the week before and also deserve to race.. maybe they're not as skilled as you and therefore can't pre-empt that you'll be trying to force your way down the inside on the fastest part of the track or undercut them over the jump. This is racing and this is racing for everybody not just the ones with the most money, best cars and most experience. I for one know that I can't always get out the way quick enough so normally try and let someone through when it is safe to do so and probably earlier rather than later so I don't ruin both of our race. I'm improving, (I think lol), and am trying to be a more courteous driver as I have watched people like Will Johnson, Michael Vincent and Will Mount and like the way they drive and respect their actions on track. I am also afraid of getting in someones way that IS quicker than me and therefore spend most of my time sizing up the competion in my heat and seeing who I am likely to come up against so that I am prepared to let them through when needed. This doesn't seem to happen with some other drivers however and they seem blinkered in their own little world as soon as they're on the rostrum. This needs to be addressed!

I apologise for my 'appalling' language at the end of the first round of the fourth heat this week as Luke (a junior) WAS pitting behind where I was stood. This was an outburst on my part for being taken out yet again by a more experienced driver and I apologise to Luke for that! However being fronted up to by a red faced committee member throwing his weight around on the stage wasn't called for and if anything raised the tension level.. why was he there? he certainly wasn't calling through or making sure the driving was of a certain standard!!

I look forward to next week where I will be mainly moving out of the way so that everybody else in my heat may pass...

predicted heat;

Pole: Scott Dickenson, 2nd:Richard Baker
3rd: Ed Kerry, 4th: Scott Dixon
5th: Michael Vincent, 6th: Chris Procter
7th:Gordon Nicholson..

Dicko (the other Scott)..

Perhaps if you'd responded without swearing at me when I initially asked you quietly to mind your language as there were juniors in close proximity, it wouldn't have got my back up.

I was on stage to observe - if I had seen anything that needed calling then I would have. As it was your incident was in the closing lap(s) of the race and was right in front of the stage and I didn't see the incident for which I apologise.

You say I wasn't observing driving standards and then have a go at me for pulling you up for swearing on stage? Isn't the whole way you conduct yourself while racing the point of observing?

By the way - the name's Dave.

Lets try and get this thread back on track, ideas to improve things!

The club is fun/relaxed and lets try and keep it that way and make a few little changes to progress forward as a club.

Last Wed was a bit of a unusual night ( must have been something in the air! lol ) If you have a problem have a face to face chat over a cuppa, not good for new members to read all this on a public forum.

Or you could always settle your problems with a dance off next club night! :woot: