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mikeyscott 19-05-2010 11:20 AM

You don't change the layshaft anyway for changing gearing I think, that's done outside the gearbox..

ian h 19-05-2010 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamar (Post 378434)
lol



It'd make a lot more sense,and are people really going to be changing the internal ratio that often? It'd still make more sense to just swap layshafts instead of disassemble/reassemble.

The layshaft and idler internally are not changed to alter ratio, this is done by changing the 2 gears external to the box ( see manual for reference). There is no reason why the internal part of the layshaft can't be 1 piece IMO.

JustARcFan 19-05-2010 11:29 AM

I'm going to glue the pins.
Like this I'm sure they don't come out and anymore!

I had this happening last weekend and the day was finished for me.

ian h 19-05-2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JustARcFan (Post 378442)
I'm going to glue the pins.
Like this I'm sure they don't come out and anymore!

I had this happening last weekend and the day was finished for me.

Exactly, I'm with you on this. I think schuey need to look at this design judging by the amount of people experiencing this problem. Come on Schuey give us a factory designed and tested fix!

bigred5765 19-05-2010 11:56 AM

cat sx has run this kind of idea for years without problems guys??

nickhudson 19-05-2010 11:57 AM

not in a 'sealed' gearbox though. and the fact that it has been used on the SX doesn't make it acceptable in this instance

simoncrabb 19-05-2010 05:50 PM

I just pulled my gearbox apart and my pins had moved a little, an o-ring was slightly raised, and it had been rubbing very slightly.

I've chosen to threadlock the pins in.

ian h 19-05-2010 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simoncrabb (Post 378554)
I just pulled my gearbox apart and my pins had moved a little, an o-ring was slightly raised, and it had been rubbing very slightly.

I've chosen to threadlock the pins in.

Wise choice I think, what's the worst that can happen, I can't see a reason for needing to remove the layshaft gear anyway.

Raul Garcia 19-05-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ian h (Post 378569)
Wise choice I think, what's the worst that can happen, I can't see a reason for needing to remove the layshaft gear anyway.

I guess my suggestion is not worth as much to the uk drivers as it was directly to the engineer @ Schumacher...

mikeyscott 19-05-2010 07:32 PM

Phil did mention it today when I spoke to him...

eichkay 20-05-2010 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Raul Garcia (Post 378328)
What I have used and let all US drivers in on is a external snap ring size of 7/16". It looks like the ring for the thrust bearing, but the ears face out, and obviously larger.

I havn't had any issues yet but ive only used the car for one race meeting .. Yesterday i dropped in on a automotive shop and grabbed a couple of these 7/16" snap rings and will be installing them very soon prior to my next meeting.

Cheers for the tip Raul..

ian h 20-05-2010 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raul Garcia (Post 378593)
I guess my suggestion is not worth as much to the uk drivers as it was directly to the engineer @ Schumacher...

Good idea but I personally don't want to add another metal bit that could potentially cause damage in a sealed gearbox although it is very unlikely.

Raul Garcia 20-05-2010 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eichkay (Post 378700)
I havn't had any issues yet but ive only used the car for one race meeting .. Yesterday i dropped in on a automotive shop and grabbed a couple of these 7/16" snap rings and will be installing them very soon prior to my next meeting.

Cheers for the tip Raul..

Smart man...

mikeyscott 20-05-2010 11:14 AM

Need to look into this too, but I'm in the UK.

Is this the sort of thing?

http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/pro...ducts_id=21863

Raul Garcia 20-05-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamar (Post 378346)
http://out2win.com/catalog/images/snapring.jpg

They're also known as circlips.

Thanks again Raul.

This is what it looks like it's 7/16".

ian h 20-05-2010 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeyscott (Post 378767)
Need to look into this too, but I'm in the UK.

Is this the sort of thing?

http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/pro...ducts_id=21863

If you need them I can get them, we use all American size stuff at work for our US built machines. Let me know if you need them and I can find out who our supplier is.

nickhudson 20-05-2010 01:06 PM

although i wouldn't fit one myself, if you want to try it, here is a link :-

http://www.modelfixings.co.uk/circlips.htm

you can get plenty of internal circlip spares while you're at it for rebuilding the diffs with their (un)user-friendly design of thrust race retention (and yes, i know the design was used in the CAT SX plus i remember them in my Axis TC from years ago - they were crap then too)

mikeyscott 20-05-2010 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickhudson (Post 378802)
although i wouldn't fit one myself, if you want to try it, here is a link :-

http://www.modelfixings.co.uk/circlips.htm

you can get plenty of internal circlip spares while you're at it for rebuilding the diffs with their (un)user-friendly design of thrust race retention (and yes, i know the design was used in the CAT SX plus i remember them in my Axis TC from years ago - they were crap then too)

Not had a problem with my SX or SV..

Chillout47 20-05-2010 02:23 PM

this happened to a couple of cars at the regional at Broxtowe on Sunday, one bloke blew up his gearbox, changed everything for the next round, and blew it up again. Both times it was the o-ring that gave way and the pin destroyed the box. He sold his car there and then for £175!!!!!

Raul Garcia 20-05-2010 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chillout47 (Post 378820)
this happened to a couple of cars at the regional at Broxtowe on Sunday, one bloke blew up his gearbox, changed everything for the next round, and blew it up again. Both times it was the o-ring that gave way and the pin destroyed the box. He sold his car there and then for £175!!!!!

This is a easy and quick fix. And its PERMANENT. you will never need to replace them.


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