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yorak 12-05-2010 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BORMAC (Post 376229)
Ive had a ball running my schueys.

Very nice looking cars Bormac.

Do you or Jeroen have other good setup tips that go especially with the racing Cougars? For example it seems you are using C1 style "straight" front wishbones in few of the cars. Is this performance related decision?

BORMAC 12-05-2010 09:08 AM

Thankyou for the compliment.

As with all the schumacher buggies changes were made between models for a reason. Its taken me years to work alot of it out as there is no real source to go to when wondering which parts suite a particular application.

The original Cougar had the longer wheelbase which for me equates to better stabilty while the Cougar2 has a shorter wheelbase with its swept front arms. Then there are the rear arms. There are few options available which range from the LWB through to Medium and even Short wheelbase aswell as the works arms which are somewhere in the middle.

I usualy look at the track i want to drive on and then establish how tight the cornering might be and thats a good start. Then i consider what motor class i want to run and this ends up as part of my decission along with the tyres I have on hand or what works at the track best.

Im far from an expert but just try thinking a bit about what i want from the car and the best way to go about getting it.

BORMAC 12-05-2010 11:41 AM

My Topcat setup.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...CSTOPCAT-1.jpg

BORMAC 12-05-2010 11:42 AM

At the latest vintage meeting a fortnight ago in the mud!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...an20cougar.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...c/_MG_0355.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...c/_MG_0345.jpg

My latest Topcat/Cougar in full flight!

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...tleHill3-4.jpg

jeroen206 12-05-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yorak (Post 375854)
ps. One of the diffs I have has alloy extrtuders (right word? the things the diff plates are connected to). Is this some kind of "pro" diff or what? :confused: Do you have any information on this jeroen?


I don't know which diff you got .

For the cougar 1 and procat there were superdiffs available with the alloy outdrives.(18mm hex diff)
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...6/PICT0206.jpg




And for the cougar 2 there were the pro diffs .(23mm diff)

look here at the first picture http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_m...50959&id=15092

yorak 12-05-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jeroen206 (Post 376313)
I don't know which diff you got .
look here at the first picture http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_m...50959&id=15092

Thanks for the link. The instructions you provided reviled that the diff really is Cougar 2 pro diff. I have to later test if the alloy parts are compatible with the Club 10 diff on my runner.

http://www.oople.com/forums/attachme...1&d=1273676948

kaszal 12-05-2010 08:10 PM

vintage diffs
 
Wow, you learn a lot when maintaining these old cars... especially from guys like Jeroen and Jason. The disc springs were missing from both the Bosscat manual and pro-diff instructions. I use them in all my diffs like it said in my old Procat manual. Thing is the vintage manuals all say arrange them like so )) but other manuals e.g. SX show )()( very confusing?? Can anyone also tell me if the washers should be glued to the alloy carriers in the pro diff?

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...iffwashers.jpg

BORMAC 12-05-2010 10:28 PM

No glue.

kaszal 13-05-2010 05:12 AM

diff washers
 
Thanks Jason, so the friction is enough to keep the plates from slipping?

btw I'm also looking for some rear procat rims. I can trade some nip fronts if you like.

BORMAC 13-05-2010 06:51 AM

Yeah the plates dont need glue.

I have some new in pack fronts also. Wish I had some rears myself. :D

kaszal 15-05-2010 08:14 PM

disc springs
 
This article may be of some interest re. disc springs

http://www.rctek.com/technical/fixin...e_washers.html

john73 16-05-2010 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaszal (Post 376575)
Thanks Jason, so the friction is enough to keep the plates from slipping?

btw I'm also looking for some rear procat rims. I can trade some nip fronts if you like.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BORMAC (Post 376592)
Yeah the plates dont need glue.

I have some new in pack fronts also. Wish I had some rears myself. :D


The Schumacher website shows the Procat rears to be in stock

U225 Rear Wheel - 2.15 (pr) £4.99 (inc vat)

Unable to call them to check stock as it is sunday.

kaszal 18-05-2010 08:46 PM

disc springs
 
Hey Jason, look at these old instructions. It says NOT to fit disc springs. How shabby! Do you use the disc springs from the original (procat) kit or the larger ones from the U857 diff screw kit? These seem stronger - they have the same external diameter as the thrust bearing. If you use these you can't fit the plastic shield over so I see why you use the foam thingy. Did you make it?

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...fassembly1.jpg

This is from the procat manual. Schumacher told me this is correct i.e. (( but I'm inclined to go with seeing as you're the king of vintage runners!

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...ldiffbuild.jpg

BORMAC 18-05-2010 10:15 PM

Yeah the spring washers are a MUST. Sometimes I use the wider ones as they seem a lot stronger but you'll
have trouble getting them under the plastic cap. That's why
I use the foam ring to try and keep the dust away from the thrust race. This is equaly as important as the thrust plates when dirty make the diff action quite notchy.

zoomzoombang 20-05-2010 05:18 AM

Any reason the spring washers are placed )) instead of ()? I thought that they were supposed to be in the latter configuration for best effect.

kaszal 20-05-2010 07:20 AM

It's confusing isn't it. I understand the disc springs are there to maintain the force on the diff washers as the parts wear out. I wonder does this also keep the pressure (and therefore diff action) consistent if there are uneven spots on the washers or carriers?

Jason's been racing CATs for years so I'm going to try his way )()(

It also gives the same instrcutions in the new CAT SX manual.

The plastic cap doesn't over the larger disc springs so I'll put a bit of foam like Jason does.

I would also sand the diff plates with 600/800 grit wet and dry on a flat surface e.g. glass table, use ceramic balls e.g. Abec35.com and maintain the thrust bearing well. Thrust bearing sthis size are difficult to get hold of because the old axles were 1/8 diameter, which is just over 3mm, which is more common. Even one I bought from Schumacher, only one of the thrust plates fit. I had to buy two and use the larger plate from both.

I just ordered this one...

http://www.abec35.com/Thrust-Ball-Be...duct_info.html

kaszal 20-05-2010 10:32 AM

Foam doughnuts
 
Any tips on how to make the little foam doughnuts?

jeroen206 20-05-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kaszal (Post 378755)
Any tips on how to make the little foam doughnuts?



http://cgi.ebay.com/Associated-Foam-...item4aa124d4cf

kaszal 20-05-2010 12:54 PM

Wow, quick reply. Thanks Jeroen!

kaszal 10-07-2010 08:04 AM

Anyone got some new Procat driveshafts :)


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