an indoor off-road facility would be amazing.

the US hobby shop business model makes perfect sense, with the larger shops having track facilities on-site. buy stuff, race stuff, break stuff, buy more stuff, etc etc.

you can get a big enough structure built for 10-15k, plus whatever the land costs, and the dirt to make the track. but it's difficult to judge turnout figures, and entry fees would have to be raised to recoup the costs. it is something I'd like to do though.

finding a barn would be cheaper, but as yet I've had no luck.

what i'd like to see is an offroad spec-racing class - kind of like the tamiya eurocup but for off road cars. everyone has to use a control tyre and one make & wind of motor - creating a totally level playing field.

Sadly these classes become the most expensive and bitchy classes going, everyone thinks if you are winning you are cheating:thumbdown:

It is a good idea if it is limited to those who are of a certain level otherwise you get people dropping down to become the big fish in a small pond :thumbdown:

I would like to see.....more 10th off road action in the south (yes, the country goes further south than London if you didn't know):p .

I have two local tracks, an 1/8th nitro track and a 10th leccy track, one isn't very busy unfortunately, the other is run by a bloke with no manners :lol:

How about,
1 round of qualifying. Every driver gets designated a number at booking in, then everyone get 2 hours (say between 9-11 o clock) to go out and get a at least 3 flying laps per run. (obviously there would be an official allowing only 10 people on the rostrum at once.) The computer would tell each driver that there 3 lap run was over, so that you didn't get people staying up there for ages.
The finals positions would be your 2 fastest '3 lap runs' added together to decide your overall postion.

Then, we have 4 finals! each!

it still is geared towards the 1 lap wonders.

if you are the best RACER ever, you can pull anyones pants down and spank their ass to pull a move, but you are never fast enough to get into the 'top' final.

its possible that you could run the 4 finals with bump up 2 finals for the winner, bump up 1 final for 2nd, drop 2 finals for last, drop 1 final for 9th, the middle lot 'stay' for the next round of finals.

the key would be to score consistant runs and win the last final, or keep bumping up to get into the 'main' for the last round to have a shot at winning.

and you would certainly try to keep out of trouble in the early finals to stay in your final

I am based in Reading yet I race in Essex (LBC) which means a round trip of 240 miles every time. There are several decent tracks within easy traveling distance yet I choose this.
The reason is simple: proper racing.
I am aware that this type of racing would be impossible to do at national level because you cannot make sure of the driver standard from heat to heat.
However, If there were two rounds of qualifiying (best time counted for qualifying position) and say three finals with points awarded for finishing positions I think it would increase the popularity of the class.
I, for one, would do nationals again.

I like the idea of the bump ups, rallyx style!:thumbsup:

Would it be possible to run nationals like the reedy race? Where you get to race everyone at some point?
Or do we not have enough hours in the day? does it take longer?

I agree, would much prefer more than one proper race in the day (am never gonna make A finals sadly!!)

We used to do this when I was karting at School, there were no actual finals as it happened, but 4 races where your best three finishing positions counted, with random grids. Sadly though, only worked because you could have @30 people in each race, and only 40 odd entries, can't see how a similar format would work for 120 odd national entries!

Could have saturday qualifying/sunday finals, but then people have to work on 2 cars in the same day, and everyone has 2 day meetings, which would be prohibitive cost/time wise for a lot of people!

Bump up would be cool if it could be fit into the timetable somehow!

Why have a 120 at one meeting?
A reedy-style format could be achieved if you had 4 meetings of 30
at 4 different venues, allowing 4 clubs to benefit rather than just one.
I know I've harped on about this before, but timed qualifying as it is at
present does very little to reward consistency.

...nor does it involve much in the way of track craft and/or tactics.

Was just scrolling down to the reply button when i saw this, bump up finals would be awesome, totally viable with the new lipo's coming in, but even with ni-mh... i have 3 batteries and it would not be that hard for me to have 2 charged before the first final.

Bump up finals were one of the things i enjoyed most about racing before i switched to electric... theres nothing worse than qualifying badly and being stuck in a final where even if you finish first it's a bad result for you.

edit: May take a little longer as to have the same number of competitors in each final you have to have 2 less 'confirmed' on the grid and 2 bumping up, or similar... but i can't see it adding hours onto a race meeting.

How about starting your final facing the wrong way?!?!???
meaning you have to do a "U" turn at the start of your race.....

A bit of fun:thumbsup:

At my local club we've ran bump up finals for the past few years. We originally brought it in because we always had a big skill gap in drivers and there quite often was 1 or 2 dropping into the B that would be able to win it hands down (small club) so running the bump up finals allows you to come back, we've got more members now but we still run them as it gives the entrants in the lower finals something to aim for.