dont want to seem stupid or ignorant to this problem,but seeing neither company or their reps have informed myself of such i am unable to offer any help,advise or solutions.please dont blame shops for this,we are there to help the majority of racers in any way we can and i for sure would not sell sub-standard goods knowingly or withhold any such information.i did have one pair of bb green rears returned last year by dan greenwood due to 3 or 4 spikes mis-shaped,gave a refund and used them myself.couldnt tell any different.{is that cos i am an f5?}

they all had green dots on the tyres:thumbdown:

DC Racing's were collected from CML on the Friday afternoon.

I can confirm that DC Racing's stock was fresh.

That said I gave just checked the tyres on my 4wd car, which have been glued up for about a month and the fronts are harder than the rears to the touch and harder than some other BB greens I have from before X mas so I don't think it would have mattered if they were fresh or not!!!

Jez, no one is blaming the shops for this as they it's nothing they can control, unfortunately you (the shops) are the first point of complaint as you sold us the goods, therefore you need to take it up with your suppliers.

Ash, if there was a mix up in manufacture it's there problem to sort, not ours to suffer

As I said previously, the tires for nationals were know about 4 months ago, yet the delivery for 1(maybe 2) of the 2 shops came in on the day before the first national. Is there no plan for the demand of nationals?

PS. I now know that both companies are aware of the problems, I look forward to hearing a reply.

the reason tyres arnt pre arrange by shop's is a very simple 1, the weather, if it was dry over the weekend it would have been yellow schumachers not BB greens so for shops to order £2000 worth of tyres and have them sitting on the shelf because it doesnt rain isnt going to happen.......

The first national of the year is usually expected to be wet, and the chance of having a full dry/wet season is slim to none. I'm not blaming the shops here, but the manufacturer's for not expecting demand for the nationals. At least we got the tires in time, makes a change, hopefully next time they'll get the right ones in the right bags too, they only had 4 months to get that bit right.

Totally agree with you Tom, its not like the shops have to pay for the items there and then either, im sure the stock is long gone by the time the invoice is paid.

But to be honest Schumacher are just as guilty as Ballistic with the tire situation. They have still not got us the 'new' tire for the nationals, yet the old ones have been poor for at least 12 months if not more.

They are also selling us a faulty product, by there own admission (There making a new tire mould because the old one is rubbish), at full price, Surely that is not on, and possibly illegal too. Maybe they should reduce the price of the faulty tires until the properly moulded ones are available, maybe it will also make there release quicker?

Would you buy a pair of wishbones if you knew one had a crack in them?:confused:

Unfortunately there is no way to boycott the tires at nationals as we have to buy from of 2 poor companies. What can we do?

sorry playing Devils Advocate here,
but is not everybody in the same boat here ??
everyone had to run them so know one was at an advantage..

i suggest you really havent got a clue have you lee....!

Think thats a bit unfair lee i bet all the shops didnt know about the change in compound if they new im sure someone like chris would have mentioned it. Also if they are picking up 200 odd pairs of tyres in a box i dont think there going to go though them checking there the right rubber. There proberly not openned until the morning of the national.

Sort of Paul but if people had the tyres made out of the old softer rubber it might give them an advantage. Not like ide feel much difrence :p

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Pidge ran the harder type compound all day !! oohh and where did he finish :p .. end of ..

Thats why i said might :thumbsup:

A:p

Well i am sure i have been told by shop owners that they get a window in which to settle up in. Plus its not like its once a month that people buy tires, there are regionals every weekend all over the country also. So there really is no excuses.

This is getting off topic though:thumbdown:

Wraggy, you would think people were in the same boat but it was clear that some had blue fronts and some had greens (but both with green dots:lol:)

It has cost people a lot of money and im sure a lot of people will want to drop this round. Shame really because it was still a great weekend and was run suberbly by the kiddy and BRCA team:thumbsup:

Ash, i didnt mention a shop, i know its not there fault:confused:

Lee the new harder fronts actually had no dot on them at all , it was only the header packet that said green on them ..

I never had any issues with either Schumachers or Ballistic compounds.

I had no issues myself either as I had old stock from months ago but my front tyres were blaitantly softer than Tom C's fronts... so I have absoloutly no excuse for not being able to crack the top 20:( :lol:

Must admit i hadn't noticed any problem with the tyres - until someone pointed it out to me. Then went back and checked the tyres i had been running - and shock horror the fronts were harder than the rears - essentially all the tyres that i ran. Which does explain (to me at least) why my car felt much better in practice 1 - when i ran a set of tyres that i think were glued up sometime last year (maybe even Kiddy national actually!!!).

I found at the end of the day yesterday, my REARS to be far harder than my fronts. I just was not able to load my suspension up through a corner, the car span out asif something was broken. :cry: