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Welshy40 10-09-2013 08:32 PM

Ok guys anyone from the uk doing the maritime raceway events? Im doing the entire series with my Lazer ZXR so who is going to join me?

Crashtest33 10-09-2013 10:05 PM

When is the prototype zx-r tub gonna be ready for mass production? And do we have a rough price James?
Cheers

Welshy40 10-09-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashtest33 (Post 802010)
When is the prototype zx-r tub gonna be ready for mass production? And do we have a rough price James?
Cheers

Well if it gets made this week and i get it and am happy then possibly will be readily available within two weeks. Also you get to choose your layout so if you have changes think them through carefully. Costs are going to be roughly at the moment but believe its going to be £120

Migs 11-09-2013 12:35 AM

Quick one guys. With the lazer zxr is the aim to try and push weight towards the front end? Looking at battery layout options I can run a shorty down the 4 cell side or a shorty or full stick pack across the back of the chassis like on the lazer alpha. I know on older tamiyas like the top force and astute they benefit from having battery moved forward as the tyre technology is much better and affords enough rear grip without the need to bias it all rearwards

Thanks

Migs

Welshy40 11-09-2013 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Migs (Post 802028)
Quick one guys. With the lazer zxr is the aim to try and push weight towards the front end? Looking at battery layout options I can run a shorty down the 4 cell side or a shorty or full stick pack across the back of the chassis like on the lazer alpha. I know on older tamiyas like the top force and astute they benefit from having battery moved forward as the tyre technology is much better and affords enough rear grip without the need to bias it all rearwards

Thanks

Migs

Migs,

No as the car is super twitchy already so better to have mid ship equally balanced on both sides, ive found a good layout on my designed chassis at fibrelyte giving good feeling and balance and also my design now being made. If using stick packs best to go across the chassis rather than down one side.

Migs 12-09-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 802052)
Migs,

No as the car is super twitchy already so better to have mid ship equally balanced on both sides, ive found a good layout on my designed chassis at fibrelyte giving good feeling and balance and also my design now being made. If using stick packs best to go across the chassis rather than down one side.

Hi welshy. Thanks so much for the info. I'll take your advice

Cheers

Migs

Mark H 14-09-2013 12:24 AM

Just rebuilt my lazer after it being in the shed since 1991 and going to give it a run out at the local indoor club which run on carpet . What I need some help with is how should I set the M3 nut on the drive on the side of the spur gear , am I right in thinking turn it tighter more drive to the front less tight more to rear ? I have to sets of gear box 1 with four Wavey washers. Or would I be better using the single small spring both have the slipper pads . Also how should I set the limiter nut on the other side . Have the instruction book still but it's not clear. Just don't want to trash the only two belts I have . Thinking of buying a 13t or maybe a 10t Brussless with lipo's . Any help would be great , going to be running on new lazer 5 wheels an Schumacher yellow mini pins . O and any recommend spur pinion I should look to run to save the belts. Thanks. Mark

Welshy40 14-09-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark H (Post 802765)
Just rebuilt my lazer after it being in the shed since 1991 and going to give it a run out at the local indoor club which run on carpet . What I need some help with is how should I set the M3 nut on the drive on the side of the spur gear , am I right in thinking turn it tighter more drive to the front less tight more to rear ? I have to sets of gear box 1 with four Wavey washers. Or would I be better using the single small spring both have the slipper pads . Also how should I set the limiter nut on the other side . Have the instruction book still but it's not clear. Just don't want to trash the only two belts I have . Thinking of buying a 13t or maybe a 10t Brussless with lipo's . Any help would be great , going to be running on new lazer 5 wheels an Schumacher yellow mini pins . O and any recommend spur pinion I should look to run to save the belts. Thanks. Mark

First things wheels. Get Annsman mad rat front and rear wheels, they are perfect dimensions. The zx5 wheels are way off so a waste of time and money. Answer blue inserts and schumacher yellow mini pins all round for carpet and shiney floors.

Motor a 10t should be good and recomend basing your ratios on team novaks ratio chart online for the motors. Its a good starting point.

On the one way i didnt like the hex nut with the allen key screw so use a normal nyloc nut reversed and screwed on almost tight so the silver oneway washer can move but not excessively.

Slipper clutch is all depending on what one you have. Does yours have balls or sliipper pads. If slipper pads its down to what you prefer and yes tightening gradually so theres a fraction of slip whilst holding it down is what i set it whilst using a 10 double brushed. With the balls on the spur its not easy to get rught but grease and using the extra pad helps to give more torque to the wheels but is more suited for low grip tracks rather than high grip. I liked the washers but they must be bent before tightening as it makes a difference.

Mark H 14-09-2013 11:30 PM

Thank you very much for you help it makes setting it up a bit Clearer. I think i must have Be able back in the day to set the slipper it has the pads (no balls) but its so long since I last ran it, I have just Forgotten. Now need to trim my new body shell kamtec lazer zxs it needs lots of work to fit but am sure it will be ok. And Choose a esc and lipo plus a charger and going for a 10t motor. Will let you kow how I get on. Cheers. Mark

Mark H 14-09-2013 11:42 PM

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Some picks of the cars as they came out the shed after almost 23 years! Almost have Enough spares to build Another Scorpion.

Welshy40 15-09-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark H (Post 802978)
Thank you very much for you help it makes setting it up a bit Clearer. I think i must have Be able back in the day to set the slipper it has the pads (no balls) but its so long since I last ran it, I have just Forgotten. Now need to trim my new body shell kamtec lazer zxs it needs lots of work to fit but am sure it will be ok. And Choose a esc and lipo plus a charger and going for a 10t motor. Will let you kow how I get on. Cheers. Mark

Esc wise the hpi flux pros pretty good and come with a built in switch, or the lrp flow but im not so sure on reliability. Motor wise id personlly go for an easy solder motor and avois lrp. Reedy and a couple of other companies have the easy solder tabs.

Migs 16-09-2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Migs (Post 799553)

so normal width, the 62.5 unis work, im thinking the um510 from the rb5 might also work, but if I switch to the wide front end, 65.5mm would work, which means the readyset lazer hop ups should work, depending on axel length

ok trick is, my mk1 zxr only has one hole at the bottom of the c hub, so I cant widen it, is there a different part number that has that option? Edit. I think I worked out its LA59

thanks again

Ok weird quoting myself I know but I wanted to let everyone know how the front end worked out. The gap between the two holes on the la59 hubs is about 4mm so the 3 racing zx5 unis work perfectly. I put some wide clamping hexes on so I can run all my tamiya front rims and the front end is close to the same width as my db01. Ive got a few other things in planning. I'll let you all know how it goes. I'm hoping to get the b44 saddle lipo cradle into the car shortly

Welshy40 17-09-2013 08:12 AM

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Ok guys an update.

Chassis has been made, asd per my previous picture, now a rough cut before the finishing off. Holes have been drilled and cell holes now to come along with the motor section cut away and the corner side wall hole being drilled as well. Proto will have a 24mm high side wall so hope its not too high as my original first chassis had 23mm. FYI you can have the chassis cut whichever way you want and for shelfers you can have it made exactly like in the pictures obviously it will be finioshed properly before you get it. For shelfers the motor cut away wont really be needed, well in my opinion anyway.

As you can see the lipo tray design has been cut and put on the chassis for you to see what it will look like.

Also the shock tower is what i will be using and as you all know have modified the original design with more strength at the bottom strut. This one has been changed to fit my design front gearbox that Oosh123 made for me.

Then the last item the little brackets, ok I am having a few made but will not be made as they are difficult to make. Once I have tested I will be selling with bearings and the screws and bits need to basically fit to your gearboxes, ok after ive made a manual on how to do it so all can then race without the fear of snapping the rear belts.

Let me know your thoughts on this.

Lenn 17-09-2013 10:06 AM

:thumbsup:

HKS_TRD 17-09-2013 11:56 AM

Wow that looks stunning

I'm clearing a spot on my shelf for mine :-)

moth898 17-09-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 803499)
Ok guys an update.

Chassis has been made, asd per my previous picture, now a rough cut before the finishing off. Holes have been drilled and cell holes now to come along with the motor section cut away and the corner side wall hole being drilled as well. Proto will have a 24mm high side wall so hope its not too high as my original first chassis had 23mm. FYI you can have the chassis cut whichever way you want and for shelfers you can have it made exactly like in the pictures obviously it will be finioshed properly before you get it. For shelfers the motor cut away wont really be needed, well in my opinion anyway.

As you can see the lipo tray design has been cut and put on the chassis for you to see what it will look like.

Also the shock tower is what i will be using and as you all know have modified the original design with more strength at the bottom strut. This one has been changed to fit my design front gearbox that Oosh123 made for me.

Then the last item the little brackets, ok I am having a few made but will not be made as they are difficult to make. Once I have tested I will be selling with bearings and the screws and bits need to basically fit to your gearboxes, ok after ive made a manual on how to do it so all can then race without the fear of snapping the rear belts.

Let me know your thoughts on this.


I like it, but I would like a little option. Make a few more holes for the battery position. A couple more front and back of the one you have already might give a good tuning option.

p.s. just for laughs...the dead guy oosh, has a new job. I pissed myself laughing when I saw it posted on linkedin

Welshy40 17-09-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by moth898 (Post 803561)
I like it, but I would like a little option. Make a few more holes for the battery position. A couple more front and back of the one you have already might give a good tuning option.

p.s. just for laughs...the dead guy oosh, has a new job. I pissed myself laughing when I saw it posted on linkedin

Battery movement ive designed it but tbh is not really needed. Still if you want the design when contacting fibrelyte mention to Stephen i made a design for my zxs chassis, that had 16 holes in for the battery trays and it and might help.

Welshy40 18-09-2013 09:43 AM

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Ok, its just being finished off but all cutting and drilling has been done to my specification, but as mentioned its down to you guys to decide exactly what you want so be sure you get it right when ordering. I should be getting on Friday.

Price will be £120 for the chassis, obviosuly not including P&P. Once I am happy with the build and fitting I will give the go ahead to Fibrelyte, and if all goes to plan that should be on Monday / Tuesday.

kek23k 19-09-2013 02:42 AM

Looking good James, how come you went with cell cut outs on the chassis? Just curious, is it for fitting the Lipo weights?

I'm definitely after one but I'd just like the ZX-RR layout, what would be the best way to order this? Should I just send my ZX-RR chassis over to Fibrelyte?

Welshy40 19-09-2013 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kek23k (Post 804021)
Looking good James, how come you went with cell cut outs on the chassis? Just curious, is it for fitting the Lipo weights?

I'm definitely after one but I'd just like the ZX-RR layout, what would be the best way to order this? Should I just send my ZX-RR chassis over to Fibrelyte?

I would advise looking at the fibrelyte website, click on the link below on my name tag and go through to the Kyosho section and you can see the chassis designs they have. I supplied almost all the chassis' and pretty much most shock towers as well so dont think youll need to send anything to them. Just make sure you choose the relevant item and any mods such as having the motor section cut away like on my chassis above or not cuting it, no holes or holes etc etc as the advantages with this chassis is the mold has no holes so they have to make a blank tub first and then drill and cut to your specifications so makes it more unique for you. I hope I make sense.

When I got all my big results and gained my drive for my sponsers I had the 1700SCRC cells in and had the car dialled with those, so trying to get the setup as close to the original I am now using zeppin brass weights designed for cell holes which slot in perfectly, then I add a brass plate from Rudebitz ontop and then the Lipo tray sits ontop (on both sides) to keep the brass attached to the chassis and the Lipo sits ontop of that.

This makes the weight of the lipo pretty close to the weight of the scrc so means I can get the car to handle more or less the way I had it in the 90's.

HKS_TRD 19-09-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 803499)

Then the last item the little brackets, ok I am having a few made but will not be made as they are difficult to make. Once I have tested I will be selling with bearings and the screws and bits need to basically fit to your gearboxes, ok after ive made a manual on how to do it so all can then race without the fear of snapping the rear belts.

Let me know your thoughts on this.

I'll be up for one of these brackets for my runner tub when you get them made. Any chance I could have one made from twill weave carbon?

Welshy40 19-09-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HKS_TRD (Post 804087)
I'll be up for one of these brackets for my runner tub when you get them made. Any chance I could have one made from twill weave carbon?

Unfortunately unsure but tbh when fitted its out of sight so wont matter what weave it is seeing as its sitting behind the motor plate.

HKS_TRD 19-09-2013 01:08 PM

Fair enough that makes sense
Stephen has sent my Ultima parts to me now so stand by for another project!

Welshy40 19-09-2013 05:43 PM

Quality, mate you have the bug big time now :lol:

Welshy40 20-09-2013 11:07 AM

Ok chassis has arrived and will be building tonight. Looks stunning

HKS_TRD 20-09-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 804261)
Ok chassis has arrived and will be building tonight. Looks stunning

Excellent news! :thumbsup:

We eagerly await pics :)

Welshy40 21-09-2013 11:18 AM

Bad news unfortunately. Luckily thats why its a prototype. Side wall needs work as its too high at the front end, front section where the rear front pivot block is too long so stopping the free movement of the wishbones and also where the gearcover is the sidewall is nudging into it so the sidewall needs to be rounded off or cut back a bit. Bit gutted but fibrelyte did nothing wrong and needs to be sent back for ammendments before i can be happy with it

HKS_TRD 21-09-2013 11:30 AM

Bummer, but don't consider it a failure, its just one more step towards getting it right

Maybe the sidewalls of the one you made the mould from are spot on only needing the couple tweaks I had mentioned to you, even my old tub here has issues with clearing the gear cover but more from the point that you cant remove it with the gearbox on the car, it does still actually fit

Welshy40 21-09-2013 07:36 PM

Im not happy with it so wont be putting it onto the market until im happy

DEXtrain 21-09-2013 09:53 PM

Have more close photos of the underside ? is it rough? Can they make similar for other cars or this is just an exceptional batch ?
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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 803806)
Ok, its just being finished off but all cutting and drilling has been done to my specification, but as mentioned its down to you guys to decide exactly what you want so be sure you get it right when ordering. I should be getting on Friday.

Price will be £120 for the chassis, obviosuly not including P&P. Once I am happy with the build and fitting I will give the go ahead to Fibrelyte, and if all goes to plan that should be on Monday / Tuesday.


Welshy40 21-09-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DEXtrain (Post 804536)
Have more close photos of the underside ? is it rough? Can they make similar for other cars or this is just an exceptional batch ?

I will photo it for you but design flaws need ironing out first before im happy with the design. You can have identical to mine if required or as whatever you desire but only once i am satisfied with the finished prodoct

DEXtrain 30-09-2013 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 804539)
I will photo it for you but design flaws need ironing out first before im happy with the design. You can have identical to mine if required or as whatever you desire but only once i am satisfied with the finished prodoct

Yes post some close photos of the underside and let me know if they can do one for other cars too

Welshy40 01-10-2013 08:33 PM

I believe Ive done another master piece. Iso "whos the daddy!!!" :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::p

kek23k 03-10-2013 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 806804)
I believe Ive done another master piece. Iso "whos the daddy!!!" :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::p

Pics please!!! :D:D:D

Welshy40 03-10-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kek23k (Post 807117)
Pics please!!! :D:D:D

Iso asked me to design a three piece chassis for the zxr for him. I will post a pic when i have a chance.

Welshy40 03-10-2013 12:44 PM

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Ok its back and had the mods done to it. It look sstunning and tonight its build time.

What doyou think?

HKS_TRD 03-10-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 807145)
Iso asked me to design a three piece chassis for the zxr for him. I will post a pic when i have a chance.

Is this something that we could buy from fibrelyte or a one off?

Tub is looking good, get her built!

Welshy40 03-10-2013 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HKS_TRD (Post 807199)
Is this something that we could buy from fibrelyte or a one off?

Tub is looking good, get her built!

I will have a word with stephen about it and dont see why not. Problem is its flat so i guess if you want a degree or 2 kickup then you need to make it from alloy.

kek23k 03-10-2013 05:54 PM

Updated pics look droolworthy! Looking forward to the built pics :D

HKS_TRD 03-10-2013 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Welshy40 (Post 807260)
I will have a word with stephen about it and dont see why not. Problem is its flat so i guess if you want a degree or 2 kickup then you need to make it from alloy.

Whats the advantage of it being three piece if there is no kick-up?


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