Originally Posted by paulc (Post 793298)

Tend not to agree with this why is it at alot of meetings national / regional people are changing tyres every run especially the top lads i think it's more down to the type of astro rather than the tyre

As for tracks you can see why alot have clubs have gone for astroturf type tracks because of cost and easyer to maintain than a Dirt track especially with the british weather the way it is.

But at the end of the day fast drivers are always going to be fast and slow ones are going to be slow no matter what car they drive in my opinion 2wd should have the motor out the back no messing taking driveshafts out etc..

Originally Posted by Si Coe (Post 793391)

If anything you should have a few more runs before its performance notably drops off.

Originally Posted by Neil Skull (Post 793351)

I like the idea of tires with less Grip.
The Controlled tire thing is a bit crazy at present with all the different compounds etc! Lets have a different tire per track, And one that does not give too much grip so we get the same handling as driving on Dirt!!!
We could do handouts on the day like they do at Euros and Worlds. No-one has an advantage that way with the special or bad batches I have been hearing so much about recently. You could have 6 different manufacturers of tires each with a tire for each track, stops the monopoly there is at present and will make a more competitive market in the long run!!!

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe (Post 793403)

BB Greens would be fine everywhere as a control tyre IMO.

Originally Posted by Danny Harrison (Post 793426)

Wouldn't a control tyre actually create a monopoly? ie, everyone only buys that tyre and the other manufacturers dont sell hardly any?

I'd still go for that though. Hate having so many tires in my bag :)

Originally Posted by Neil Skull (Post 793433)

You misunderstood.
I wanted a different manufactures tire at each event.

Originally Posted by blue_pinky (Post 792496)

Interestingly, or not maybe, the micro section had a season where 4wd's with front drive shafts or front diff/front centre drive shaft removed became dominant in their 2wd class. The rules were subsequently written to state that only a stacked gearbox transmission was allowed in the 2wd class.

The argument here was that the disconnected front end of the transmission did give an advantage, and in fact I think at one point the rumours were that a one way diff was fitted backwards to give some sort of braking advantage or something (although I might have made that up completely from snippets of many random trackside chats that happened at that time about it) but you get the point!

I'm not sure that rule stills stands entirely, but for me there were/are other factors at play there....

The 2wd class in the micro section was, and still is, lacking in production race cars to fit into the class...so the rule book is being developed all the time in the hope it promotes the class and generates enough industry interest for manufacturers to take it up properly and create a fair class of 2wd micro racing...

At that point, the 4wd class had some reasonably well developed race cars competing...they maxed the cars out on wheelbase and track width, and were competing very closely as it was, and still is the main micro class.

The 2wd class at that time had no 2wd 'race' cars...only a few randomly built/converted 'toy' cars that happened to fit very loosely into the scrutineering box. Pretty sure Chunk (the first proper BRCA rule designed 2wd micro race car) didn't quite exist at that point.

Those 2wd 4wd cars with their developed design/proportions wiped the floor with the other 2wd's...so it was deemed unfair. The result was the Chunk coming to the front of it, and hopefully a more serious class that manufacturers can design properly for now...if they can find a market to sell them to!

Originally Posted by Al3xis007 (Post 793536)

Anyway, going back to the topic, as much as people don't like the fact people are running a 4wd car as a 2wd with the driveshafts out, it is legal.

All we can do is watch them lose traction when it rains :thumbsup:

Originally Posted by mark christopher (Post 793504)

so you expect all racers to buy a new set of tyres for each track they visit? that may not work where they normally race?
what happens if all the tracks nominate the same tyre?

Originally Posted by johnboy (Post 793612)

Or an even better idea leave as is and just race. Lots of people here taking this too far it's model cars not F1 so what if people want to run a 4wd as a 2wd. I'm not losing any sleep about it.

Originally Posted by Briangb (Post 793625)

I think you are probably right. I must admit that I did think the XB4 and others were having a bit of an advantage, but at the end of the day if the rules allow it, then fine. All most of us want to do is to have a bit of fun.

Originally Posted by johnboy (Post 793612)

Or an even better idea leave as is and just race. Lots of people here taking this too far it's model cars not F1 so what if people want to run a 4wd as a 2wd. I'm not losing any sleep about it.

Originally Posted by FrogPrince82 (Post 793586)

This is why I approve of the idea that people should declare their chassis before qualifying rounds start.

This way, if it does rain or the track begins to lose grip, the people who have gambled on the 4wd/2wd hybrid will have paid the price for taking a risk. The people who have gambled on the dedicated 2wd car will have been rewarded.

This also goes visa versa for if the track grips in more during the day.

Otherwise, the people who have 2,3,4 different cars ready built with different chassis layouts (so the more cash/factory support) will always win out. They can drop in a new car layout as conditions develop, which isn't about talent or ability, it's more about spomeone's depth of equipment.

This way I think we would also then see a few "unknowns" appearing in the higher finals etc.

Originally Posted by Big G (Post 793608)

Declaring 1 chassis for the event could be more favourable towards say, DEX210 drivers who have the option of going rear motor in very low grip situations. Whereas C4.1 drivers wouldn't have the option of bringing out the B4.1 (Stantz/Rich Lowe Oswestry 2012) :D

Originally Posted by johnboy (Post 793612)

Or an even better idea leave as is and just race. Lots of people here taking this too far it's model cars not F1 so what if people want to run a 4wd as a 2wd. I'm not losing any sleep about it.